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“The goal of Socialism is Communism.” – Lenin
I am paying attention
submitted 5 years ago by useless_aether from i.redd.it
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[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 5 years ago* (3 children)
And the Nazis were... Socialists...? (Fascists)
And the DPRK (Democratic Republic of North Korea) are democratic...?
Western capitalist democracies also have murderous intent (slavery, Iraq, Cambodia, Laos, etc.)
Authoritarian clubs all with murderous intent. I think we are making similar arguments with nuanced differences.
The common thread in my assessment is the authoritarian nature of the ones committing the atrocities. I'm not aware of any grassroots events that compare.
Edit: I would argue that justice is a grassroots value. Justice does not serve power.
[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 5 years ago (2 children)
i agree with all of that, but
--> any socialist is communist in the long run; the goal of socialism is communism (lenin)
still commies. they cant be democratic without free elections. in marxist terms, they have a so called democratic dictatorship. its an oxymoron, but they are explaining it saying demos is for people, so the dictatorship is by the people (demos) who form the majority, therefore it is justified and the free elections are simply 'untimely' because reactionary forces would take advantage of it. so its better for the time being to stick to communist dictatorship.
[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 5 years ago (1 child)
There's plenty of excellent socialist programs in the US.
These were all implemented during times of new deal social-capitalism. No one complains about these programs (excluding the police, for understandable reasons). That's a list of sweet social-capitalist benefits. Proven, functional non-totalitarian, socialism.. Let's keep it. :-).
Had these others been introduced we probably would benefit similarly
What do you think? ;-)
[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 5 years ago (0 children)
I think in the USof A, we've met the definition of socialism, and actually communism for a very very long time. It's more so authoritarianism masked, but still.
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