100 Million Victims of Communism

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Bless your heart.

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Aren't you conveniently forgetting about something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You have a Marxist colored education, I'd assume you're content with that and don't wish to educate yourself. If I'm wrong, I'd suggest starting with the memoirs of major players. Hitler, Patton, Churchill, etc.

https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb58.htm

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Never believe that anti‐ Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I'm not sure what your position is, so I'm stabbing in the dark trying to educate you. Why don't you tell me specifically what your position is, and if it's wrong I'll tell you why - to the best of my ability.

  • Do you believe that Marxism isn't largely Judaic?
  • Do you believe that Bolshevism hasn't killed more people than any other ideology?
  • Do you believe that exactly 6 million jews, not one more or less were executed by Germany?

Lay it out for me in bullet points and I'll address each. Ad Hominems are low on the pyramid of debate.

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's not a position, it's a fact. Hitler and Stalin were allies. Why bother answering your loaded questions when you can't even address that fact?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The US and the leadership of North Korea (backed by the Chinese) signed an armistice and divvied up Korea into 2 countries in 1953, North and South Korea. This is an apples to apples comparison to the Polish situation - so, by your twisted logic this means the US and North Korea/China were and are allies?

[–]kissfan7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That armistice took place after three years of war costing three million lives.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was an alliance in which (like the later German/Italian/Japanese alliance) split up territory between the powers, allowing the USSR to annex parts of Finland, Poland, and Romania plus all of the Baltic Countries.

The Nazis' incompetent and foolhardy invasion of the USSR allowed it to take over all of Eastern Europe after the war. As a result, it became one of the two most powerful countries in the world. This allowed Marxism-Leninism to spread to various parts of the world, including North Korea, which started the Korean War.

Hitler's thirst for power and his incompetence was arguably responsible for most of those supposed 100 million deaths.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was an alliance in which (like the later German/Italian/Japanese alliance) split up territory between the powers, allowing the USSR to annex parts of Finland, Poland, and Romania plus all of the Baltic Countries.

If you've read anything on Soviet history you know they were planning to invade Europe from the moment they won power. It was just a matter of building up their power and armies to do it. When the US, British Empire, and world Jewry started funneling massive loads of money after 1935 to the Soviets that Faustian bargain was struck. Neither side intended to keep to it. Again, reference the memoirs of those involved. Stalin thought he'd be the one who got to break it, and was caught off guard by Operation Barbarossa; which at the moment it was launched was more of a desperation move than a strategic one.

You can't look at any of the events of World War 2 without considering the self-stated motivations of the actors involved, and what their military intelligence knew at the time various decisions were made.

The Nazis' incompetent and foolhardy invasion of the USSR allowed it to take over all of Eastern Europe after the war. This allowed Marxism-Leninism to spread to various parts of the world, including North Korea, which started the Korean War.

Without the 3rd Reich the Soviets with their German Allies would have successfully taken over all or nearly all of Europe - and we'd have had a very different world. The Wiemar republic was weak, crippled as it was by the Treaty of Versailles and an anti-German press - without the nascent NSDAP fighting off Antifa there, the communists would have won; very nearly having done so in the original 1918 revolution. The stated goal from the very beginning with the Bolsheviks was and still is the utopia of "world communism". It's not like any of them make efforts to hide this.

Hitler's thirst for power and his incompetence was arguably responsible for most of those supposed 100 million deaths.

So Hitler forced Lenin and Trotsky to starve tens of millions of Christians to death on purpose? He forced Mao's Great Leap Forward? C'mon man.

[–]kissfan7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If you've read anything on Soviet history you know they were planning to invade Europe from the moment they won power.

Yeah, in 1917. Military defeats* since then made them abandon that goal. It wasn't until the failure of Barbarossa that the Soviets got another chance to take over Eastern Europe.

And I know this is a clash of definitions, but since most Soviet citizens lived west of the Ural Mountains, I'd classify the USSR as European. You can't really invade Europe when you ARE in Europe.

When the US, British Empire, and world Jewry started funneling massive loads of money after 1935 to the Soviets that Faustian bargain was struck.

Oh you mean like this?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#Expansion_of_raw_materials_and_military_trading

And don't forget the 200 million mark loan Germany gave the USSR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Credit_Agreement_(1939)

Face it, until being stabbed in the back, Hitler and Stalin were buddies. As Ribbentrop himself said, Hitler called Stalin "a man he could do business with".

Despite all the differences in the ideologies of Germany, Italy and the Soviet Union: opposition to the capitalist democracies.

~Karl Schnurre, German negotiator

The Wiemar republic was weak - without the nascent NSDAP fighting off Antifa there, the communists would have won

Nice try, but the Nazi Party was formed in 1920. The revolution ended in 1919.

So Hitler forced Lenin and Trotsky to starve tens of millions of Christians to death on purpose?

No, nice strawman, though.

He forced Mao's Leap Forward?

His incompetence created the conditions for Mao. No Hitler, no Barbarossa. No Barbarossa, no Soviet increase in power. No Soviet increase in power, no resources to support Mao. No support for Mao, no Great Leap Forward.

*Including defeats inflicted on the Soviets by the "untermench" Poles, who were later betrayed and slaughtered by the Nazis and their collaborators.