4chan, 8chan and Voat banned in Australia

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[–]PaigeAP 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are you arguing that the shooter's goals were to entice the government into shutting down right-wing/fascist websites?

There is nothing wrong with a website being right wing or left wing.

His goals were to create a cultural revolution by polarizing the left and the right even further than they already are.

And NZ is playing right into his hands by censoring the video and the manifesto(for some reason), imprisoning an 18-year old for sharing the video(there is suspicion that he knew about the attack beforehand but as far as I know It's not confirmed)and now ISPs blocking certain websites because this causes people(mostly on the right and center) to start worrying(IMO rightfully) about freedom of speech and internet censorship.

The shutting down of fascist websites

Yeah, but who decides which sites are fascist? What would stop NZ government, as unlikely as it is, to one day do what the current Russian government is doing yet people denounce Russia but support NZ doing it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

His goals were to create a cultural revolution by polarizing the left and the right even further than they already are.

This is incorrect. Did you read the manifesto? (I know ironic given the context) The entire thing was focused around the "invaders" (read: non-europeans / whites) and telling whites to attack them. I didn't read it in detail, I'm not wasting my time reading 76 pages of propaganda, but I didn't see anything relating to "polarization" of the political wings - it's purely focused on radicalization of white people.

imprisoning an 18-year old for sharing the video

I haven't looked into this, but it depends on intent. If he's being jailed for merely sharing it for the sake of information then that is garbage and should be fought against by all. If he's sharing it and saying he's thinking about doing it too then that is a problem for which he would rightfully be punished.

who decides which sites are fascist?

This is an inherent problem with any form of political decision. i.e. who decides who is taxed, who decides when war declared. The government makes the decision, but it is up to the populace to be aware enough to fight incorrect decisions. While censorship is a reasonable concern, I think political action should be withheld until you find that sites you find valuable are being shut down. 4chan, 8chan, and voat in my opinion add no value to the internet.

Personally I'm more aggravated by Tumblr removing NSFW content to appease Apple or the general existence of anti-piracy laws than I am by the shutting down of fascist speech. Fascist speech seeks to further entrench power structures whereas the others are the very action of power structures (albeit of a different kind: wealth).

[–]PaigeAP 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Personally I'm more aggravated by Tumblr removing NSFW content to appease Apple

I wonder what do you think about this? - https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/mar/16/uk-online-porn-age-verification-launch

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolute trash. I mirror the concerns about data leaks from storing identifying information. Plus I hate the concept of a company being allowed to capitalize on the 25 million person "market" of porn viewers needing age identification by law.