Anti-porn bills in eight states would force the likes of Apple and Samsung to automatically censor nude and sexually explicit content

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[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I agree but we can't completely ignore the issue of unlimited porn access by the youth.

We need to tread very carefully on this issue so that we don't end up crushing legitimate political speech as well. After all if I want to show the results of say, gender "affirmation" surgeries or the complications thereof through either pictures or text I prefer not to have to argue why such explicit descriptions don't qualify as "pornographic", I'd also rather not cede ground to the hyper religious prudes who consider a bad Harlequin dime novel to be XXX material that needs to be purged from society.

But I do think it's a problem when we have literal pre-teens just starting to go through puberty to be able to have unlimited free private access to extreme hardcore pornography of all types. I mean, I did when I was a kid, it wasn't healthy. But we didn't have smart phones back then and it still took some doing.

These days I think we do need to have a real discussion about how easy it is for kids to access porn and what we should do as a society to address that. And I do think that means we need to find some kind of restriction on it, but it's a complicated problem. We've got to find a balance between the extreme prudish censorsial types and the people on the other side who claim it's no issue publicly but then actively target kids via the internet.

Rule 34 is a great example of this. Some kid wants to search their favorite TV show or something, there is porn of it, and they'll find it, now much of that shit is basically horny teenagers doing what horny teenagers are going to do, but a lot of it is also made by adults to appeal to kids specifically. And it's well documented that pedophiles will use such materials to "desensitize" kids to the "wrestling" before they actually predate them .

The real question going forward is a tough one. We need a strong definition of pornography, and a smart way to limit it's access to children. I think the simplist solution now would be to simply ban children from using smartphones before they are 18. That won't totally fix the problem. And it will create new problems. But the entire issue is one I think where we do have to seriously consider action.

This is the sort of territory where we can't really get good scientific data on the scope of the problem. The research necessary to gain that knowledge would be unethical in practice, normies would shun it and cede the territory to predatory types and further exasperate the problem. See the John Money situation for a prime historical example.

[–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It's called parenting. Programs already exist to limit websites that parents can utilize.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

They don't work.

I agree good parenting solves a lot of it. But your kids are still going to have to deal with kids who don't have good parenting.

I don't think it's gonna hurt a kid to see a porno once or twice. The real danger is in the private two way communicative nature of the smart device. Your kid can be groomed remotely. Happens all the time. Teen unhappy with their life and parents as teens often are some online person "understands" them and offers them a place to stay. Kid runs away and gets sexually abused or sex trafficked somewhere.

[–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Enforce the existing laws. Encourage better parenting.

If kids get trafficked, then the authorities should do a better job of stopping them. There are already laws against grooming, rape, kidnapping and trafficking. However there was one family in.. Texas (I think. Will have to go find the article again). The father gave the police / fbi the necessary info. He himself had to track them down and rescue his daughter.

The problem is that the authorities are largely corrupt or incompetent. Reform is needed. Heck, recently in another state there was a cop arrested for grooming and raping a girl who was a victim already. Then there was another who was on a sex related task force and was hosting pedo shit. Those examples are not uncommon, unfortunately.

So, no thanks. We do not need additional laws pushed down from degenerate, incompetent govt.

We need real reform along with enforcement and quality parenting.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Better enforcement and better parenting are of course important parts of this but part of the problem is that the current laws were created at a time when we couldn't really imagine the smartphone and so are inadequate for the modern world.

There's also the problem of simply the viability of enforcement. Again we will go with the China example. Porn is banned there, you can just go through a VPN and get it anyway.

We can't enforce things that we can't see and a lot of this stuff happens in private so that the damage is already done long before anyone in a position of authority is even alerted to the issue. This is the same problem with parenting. Most parents cave and get their kids smart phones anyway and once you do that the kid is vulnerable and can easily hide whatever they want from you.

I think this is only going to get worse. The larger social ramifications exceeds the realm of simply good parenting. I think the least problematic solution at the current time is to put severe restrictions on minors usage of smartphones. Alternatively we could also put the onus of content delivery onto the websites themselves. But there would need to be real financial penalties and consequences for porn websites that allow children access and we can't allow them to claim ignorance lest kids do what you and I have always done and ticket the "Hell yeah I'm an adult" button when we wanna see tits.

[–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So fucking what?

You think people should give up their privacy to make sure your kids don't see titties?

Be a parent.. Take their phone away and quit using devices as a babysitter. That's the solution.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Be a parent. Take their phone away. Kid gets a new phone from online friends who want to help them be their "authentic self".

[–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Whatever, dude. It's not the govts responsibility to parent your child. Do better.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Society as a whole has a pointed interest in the next generation of children not being useless.

[–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. That's why we should eliminate the shitty brainwashing and indoctrination that goes on in schools first. That would stop any gay ass kids from giving them phones. Also, quit feeding them shit grown and processed so get rid or reform fda while at it.

Then again, with these lovely jabs there won't be too many in next gen.