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[–]handbananasrevenge 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (39 children)

How can you ban an idea? I was told by our benevolent overlords that Antifa is just an idea and there’s no organization behind it.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (29 children)

Antifa (antifascism) is an idea but US antifa is an organization, dude.

[–]SeethingPeasant 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

Antifa has been around for about 100 years, they have been apart of every communism/socialist usurping of the people's rights. They have a long history of using fascism to install fascism.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

Antifa are NOT fascist they are communist organization, Learn the difference,

Fascism was born in Italy when Benito Mussolini was fed up with commies and beat them up then when he had critical mass of blackshirts he marched to Rome and the King of Italy appointed him as PM.

After US troops landed on Italian mainland Mussolini became vulnerable and Communist partisans lynched him.

[–]Canbot 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

By any reasonable definition antifa are fascist. That is how they act. Those are the tactics and goals that define them.

[–]Alphix 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Although I generally agree with you on most things, you have your wires crossed on this one. COMMIES are the absolute antithesis of FASCISTS.

Communism is anti-family, anti-nationalism, anti-morality, anti-values, anti-excellence... Fascism is pro-family, pro-nationalism, pro-morality, pro-value, pro-excellence...

Are you still confused breh?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Niza pride.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

They are communist, not fascist. End of discussion.

Fascism is biggest evil despite communists being 100x more murderous and vile.

"Antifa are the real fascists" is the new "Democrats are real racists". Just quit.

Guess Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao and Lenin were also fascists...

[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Define fascism.

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    [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    First off no government can be called revolutionary. That makes no sense. Revolutions are the radical changing of power. You can't just attach a word like that because it sounds cool.

    Second, nationalism is a rally cry and an identity. It says nothing of governance. Most communists recognize that you can't have communism and open borders. There has never been a communist country with open borders. Instead most have to have a strict ban on anyone even leaving, just to keep the slave workers from fleeing. Communists have stricter border controls than anyone, including "fascist" italy.

    attempts to merge marxist economics with traditionalist social politics.

    So like I said, it is just another marxist scam just like communism except with different propaganda.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    ^

    [–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Shutting down free speech with violence is not fighting fascism. It IS fascism!

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      [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh, that overly simplified joke where it's impossible to be placed into one of the quadarants? Yeah sure.

      [–]Alphix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Fascism lets speech be free, provided you don't attempt to undermine the people, the morals, the values, the policies, etc. that define the nation.

      In other words, Fascism is free speech, absent the communist subversion. What do you want? Freedom or communism?

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      provided you don't attempt to undermine

      Subjective call made but assholes of the ruling class. Fuck that.

      Sometimes things need to be undermined. Fuck consumer culture. Fuck authoritarianism. Fuck over-regulation.

      Freedom is freedom, including the freedom to reject the status quo.

      [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      OK commie.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Shutting down free speech with violence is not fighting fascism. It IS fascism!

      IFIFY:
      Shutting down free speech in any way is not fighting fascism or communism. It IS totalitarianism!

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I prefer my totalitarianism with hot sauce and a squeeze of lemon.

      [–]IMissPorn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Who cares? Commienazis all stink.

      [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Antifa do not defend people's rights. They are all about crushing the will of the people. Their main goals are to attack grassroots organizing that could threaten big buisness. They go to rallies and attack people. They go to speaches and scream, and do anything they can to shut them down. They spam social media to silence people. They mass report accounts to get them shut down.

      They are literally the gustapo. They suppress the rights of people where the government can't.

      [–]Ethnocrat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Stop insulting fascism you utter dunce. You have no idea what fascism is. Every time you insult fascism you're defending the Jewish elite and their lies.

      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      "Fascists" with proprietary definitions of "fascism" different from the contemporary understanding everyone else shares are no longer "fascists" - they're a group that desperately needs a new term and rebranding.

      [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      JEWISH FUCKING PROPAGANDA has nothing to do with that in your imaginary world, amirite.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Being retarded earns you a block.

      [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      A block? Of what... Bitcoin? Please make it Bitcoin!

      [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Why do you buy that ridiculous premise?

      You can literally spin anything that way. Christianity isn't an organization it is an idea. Just because some christians organize into churches and have pamphlets does not make christianity an organized religion. /s

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes, indeed Christianity is idea but Christians also organize into churches. I stand by that premise 100%.

      I oppose Antifa but what do I know...

      [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Again, you can call anything an idea by that logic. You have been tricked by the fascists who fund and organize those terrorist groups into supporting a convoluted agrument they put forward to protect thier terrorists from any pushback.

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        [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

        ^ socks the nigger

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Am I allowed to hate them because they masquerade as anarchists, but are in fact a fucking disgrace? Anarchists would never complain that 'there isn't enough censorship', and corporations + the state need to come and crack down on speech they don't agree with. They should drink battery acid

        [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        They should be dealt with like any other terrorist group.

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          [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          I've not seen or read about an anti-fascist who favored anarchy or censorship, both of which promote authoritarian models of governance, a.k.a., forms of fascism.

          The Antifa US movement. I don't think you understand the anarchist ideology. Most anarchists advocate for direct democracy without representatives. Today, in the U.S. antifa members primarily identify as anarchists, usually anarcho-communists specifically. Kropotkin's "conquest of bread" is the classic example of this ideology

          Anarcho-communism is a theory of anarchism that advocates a communist society with common ownership of the means of production,[95] direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations, workers' councils and worker cooperatives, with production and consumption based on the guiding principle "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."[96

          Heres some articles about anarchists and antifa

          https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2021/06/14/behind-the-black-bloc/

          https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-antifa-profile/

          They support democratic forms of leadership.

          Again, as do anarchists, which most antifa members claim to be.

          And yes, they promote censorship, and even violence against speakers of speech they dislike.

          https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/antifa-speech-free

          https://scholars.law.unlv.edu/nljforum/vol3/iss1/1/

          This is why right wing people call them fascists, which isn't that inaccurate, as you point out yourself that censorship is a tactic of fascist governments. Idk if thats quite right, but they are certainly a disgrace to anarchism

          [–]handbananasrevenge 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Ok Rabbi

          [–]Newzok 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

          Antifa is a glowie operation though. Nobody likes them and they only derail causes.

          [–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

          LOL they set fire to our cities. Doesn't sound like the feds to me.

          If it were the feds they would have led them on and then busted them. The FBI is all about busts and convictions. Instead, none of them can get thrown in jail even if they set fire to federal courthouses.

          [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Yet.

          Sometimes there are bigger plans afoot than singular events.

          [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Feds don't do that? What rock are you living under? Did the feds get into your account and are now posting as you? Hell, maybe you were a dormant agent for all that time...

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          It looks like 2 people went with them.

          [–]Drewski 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          If they actually broke the law they should be banned, but I'm not cheering on censorship even if it's an ideology I disagree with.

          [–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          When one of those retards made a poster encouraging his fellow bumboys to go torch Tesla dealerships because Musk took away their child porn, the responses in opposition belied a simmering pot that seemed ready to boil over at any second. These guys had better tread carefully going forward, because it really seems to me that the US has reached its limit with this horseshit, and if the cops won't keep these "ideas" in check, it's looking like the citizenry might be ready to do the job for them.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          I don't like even Antifa being banned at least if they are not posting obscene material.

          Yes, they should be allowed to post and people will see their idiocy...

          This antifa is also fake since Putin explicitly decided to do "bash the fash" on international scale. Their antifascism is fake since they are not praising the Russian SMO. Instead they are saying "f*ck Putin".

          Here is Putin playing a communist song:

          https://youtu.be/s1NNzE7rwSI

          NATO posted a woman with Sonnenrad patch and praised "female empowerment in Ukraine".

          https://www.newsweek.com/nato-says-it-didnt-notice-ukraine-soldiers-apparent-nazi-symbol-tweet-1686523

          When Ukrainian soldiers entered Kherson, one of them had SS Dirlewanger patch (a Nazi penal battalion so bad that SS called them savages).

          https://twitter.com/oalexanderdk/status/1591244936032423936

          Here is copypasta about Dirlewanger's "heroism" (notice how massacred were mostly non-Jewish people)

          https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/mh0mi1/let_me_tell_you_about_oskar_dirlewanger_and_his/

          [–]SeethingPeasant 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          They did post obscene stuff, like doxxing people, death threats, threats of violence, all of it. They are a terrorist organization, plain and simple. They should have been banned a long time ago, like many other extremists, but instead they only banned conservatives.

          Terrorism (tĕr′ə-rĭz″əm) noun:

          1. The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.
          2. Resort to terrorizing methods as a means of coercion, or the state of fear and submission produced by the prevalence of such methods.
          3. The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I meant porn (especially child porn) as obscene material. I hate when ppl post it.

          Musk nuked all pedo hastags, I hope he nukes bugchaser (people who fantasize about getting and spreading AIDS) next.

          https://twitter.com/rawbottomlad (WARNING, EXTREMELY NSFW/L). https://twitter.com/pozpigs (WARNING, EXTREMELY NSFW/L).

          [–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          They were literally calling for direct acts of violence against particular people. They should be investigated, exposed and prosecuted.

          [–]Ethnocrat 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

          WTF I like Elon now!

          [–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Don't, he's the antichrist.

          [–]Fiyanggu 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Antifa is the enforcement goon arm of the Democratic party. They enable and embolden the BLM thugs to disrupt society and shakedown people for money.

          [–]SeethingPeasant 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          I want more than just "literal justice"! I want "CLITORAL JUSTICE"!! NO JUSTICE NO SKEETS!! NO JUSTICE NO SKEETS!!

          [–]agent_pecan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Antifa is a pedophile faggot group

          [–]Vortex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          While mastodon kicks out GAB.