Any chance that Trump might have 'allowed' the stolen election to occur and is actually part of the problem?

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I have mixed feelings of Trump so I voted for him as a vote against Biden and a vote against Hillary but I don't like how he lead people halfway to the truth then leaving them high and dry. He had these mounting evidence that Judges refused to even look at and Trump just left us hanging saying back in June major 'Bombshells' were going to be released. Even Rush spoke out asking for him to put up or shut up politely of course but still the same intentions.

He made people who call out the elites wind up looking bad and enraging the left to further clamp down on free speech. I don't get what he would have to gain by doing that though that's the missing picture as the elites all hate him on both sides. The international bankers all hate him and want him gone. They used the media and G00gle to screw him up and he SOMEHOW magically did NOT see it coming.

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[–]Antarchomachus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It's certainly possible, I like a good conspiracy theory, heres mine:

Like you say the international bankers do hate him - They got Fauci to release the engineered Virus to sabotage the economy as to hurt Trump's chances of re-election. The economy was going great, and Trump likely would have won (or won badly enough to 'stop the steal' if thats what happened), and the timing of the 'lab leak'. was realllllly convenient for Ol Cornpop Biden

[–]Markimus 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Like you say the international bankers do hate him - They got Fauci to release the engineered Virus to sabotage the economy as to hurt Trump's chances of re-election. The economy was going great, and Trump likely would have won (or won badly enough to 'stop the steal' if thats what happened), and the timing of the 'lab leak'. was realllllly convenient for Ol Cornpop Biden

Nah. Trump has been working with international finance running gayops for decades. Those who remember the Reform Party under Pat Buchanan know that Trump came in to try to destroy the populist energy back then, only to steal that exact platform years down the line. Trump helped to get Bush elected. Trump married his daughter into the Kushner family, who are huge in international finance, Zionism/Israel and connected to 9/11. Trump was buddies with the Clintons and was fucking little girls with the ring leader of the Mossad child trafficking ring, Epstein.

Trump has been part of the problem forever, the elites don't hate him at all considering he's one of em.

[–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You make some good points regarding Trump's own elite connections. The timing of the outbreak, the fact that it was engineered, combined with the level of Left hatred for Trump, just sets off all my conspiracy alarm bells. I am not even a Trump supporter or a Republican, but this looks suspicious to me.

[–]Markimus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They don't even really hate Trump though, they've done nothing to him to harm in anyway. It's all just media theatrics.

Who they hate is the people who support Trump, ordinary white people, mostly working class or rural. When they say Trump what they really mean is, the people that supported Trump. This is why they went after the random ordinary people who showed up to January 6th and went for a guided tour after being invited in by the police but mysteriously no legal action was taken against Trump or the organisers. The whole thing was a setup, it was organised by Trump and his underlings in collaboration with the legal system to harm ordinary white working class people.

[–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who they hate is the people who support Trump, ordinary white people, mostly working class or rural.

I think you might be on to something here. I even think we might be talking about different 'theys'...

I was trying to imply the Democratic voters 'hate' Trump, I'm no fan of him, but I can't seem to get anyone on the left (many in my own family) to agree Biden has done just as terrible of a job. They don't care about the facts, they just don't like Trump.

I can definitely see what you are saying in terms of the actual Democratic politicians. I don't think they hate him, I think it's all political theatre as you say, designed to elicit precisely the response I reference in the paragraph above this. I also think you are correct that Dem politicians hate the rural working class

[–]Markimus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you might be on to something here. I even think we might be talking about different 'theys'...

I was trying to imply the Democratic voters 'hate' Trump, I'm no fan of him, but I can't seem to get anyone on the left (many in my own family) to agree Biden has done just as terrible of a job. They don't care about the facts, they just don't like Trump.

Oh yeah, the original comment I responded to talked about bankers so I just assumed we were talking about elites specifically. If we're just talking about ordinary people IE democrat voters we just call them TVrace. They buy into the left vs right kayfabe the same that someone with down syndrome would believe Smackdown vs Raw is real. It's not their fault though really, literally billions is spent on all the media, education etc to engineer people to think this way. It's just frustrating when people you care about are stuck in this stupid way of thinking.

I can definitely see what you are saying in terms of the actual Democratic politicians. I don't think they hate him, I think it's all political theatre as you say, designed to elicit precisely the response I reference in the paragraph above this. I also think you are correct that Dem politicians hate the rural working class

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

They really worked hard to prop Biden up as the 'Covid' hero. Everything seemed to fall into their laps like Mana from heaven. How come explaining any of this to gamers gets me blank looks? They just cry their favorite games aren't coming out or blah blah blah then you explain why they look at you with a ? look then go back to whatever it was they were doing? Either that or I have this repeated troll bot wherever I go.

[–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Everything seemed to fall into their laps like Mana from heaven.

This.

Makes me suspicious as hell too

But, honestly I think they want us gaming and watching netflix all the time, that way most people are too distracted to catch on to their BS.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think so. That's why they sell us old remastered games for 60$ a port and no BOTW2 yet as it will actually cause people to use their minds to explore and figure shit out. Can't allow that! BOTW's puzzles were pretty genius despite it's short bursts and some flaws. A True Nintendo fan will admit when a game/company has shortcomings as well as what works. BOTW got a lot right and wrong at the same time.

Anybody who couldn't hack BOTW got killed by a chu chu jelly at the Great Plateau or played Master Mode first and wondered why they died in one swipe. Now if you made it to Master Sword Trials Room 10 (You know THAT room) I applaud you. I know of no solution past it due to how broken Master Mode made things.

It appears the new Pokemon game might scratch that itch for solving puzzles? Unless it's just replacing Koroks with Pokeman.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

wtf are you talking about

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

However the economy while it was going great we weren't seeing that 'boom' we usually see where new businesses come in. The last such boom was the Bush era of the 2000s and before that the 80s to mid 90s boom which even the early 00s didn't compete. It was one of a kind we will never see again and it was f'ked up by businesses over expanding and remodeling when they shouldn't.

They all believed at that time that remodeling especially to dark brown was the way to go and all looked the same before going out of business shortly thereafter. Before that each department store had an unique theme even more so then we see now.

[–]iDontShift 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The international bankers all hate him and want him gone.

nope, if they did they would have done what they did to Ron Paul

ron paul was excluded from televised debates.. even after collecting enough votes..

the media refused to talk about him

that is what they do

trump is the 'out of control' bullshit they couldn't stop .. is a line i can't buy

the hate he caused the left to embody was certainly his goal.. he literally drove them crazy

he SOMEHOW magically did NOT see it coming

nope, he led us here

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ron Paul has nowhere near the money and influence Trump has. They have tried to do the same to him but he has way more support so he wasn't easily blocked but he was blocked from Twitter. You don't block the fucking President. This is why AT&T was broken up. Look up Ma Bell/AT&T. It was a valid concern and we have gone full circle digitally.

The press refused to let Trump speak and took what he said out of contex so you get the dumb version they want you to see and you fall for it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Now the problem is Trump was always hitting the hornets nest which always bothered me but he has ADD but still he has done many things right. Look up his first 90 days and compare that to Biden's. Obama won the peace prize for just saying he was going to fix the climate and some schools forced kids to sing 'mmm mmmm mmmm Obama'.

[–]iDontShift 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i watched him go to the wall, i watched him bow down

i watched him release criminals that ran illegal immigrant run meat packaging plant ( i story i know because i lived near the town that it happened to)

i watched him go along with the plannedemic.

also felt like what happened on jan 6 was partly his fault, and how he handled those that tried to help him pathetic.. i heard how he talked about those he had in his cabinet.. and he complained.. "see what i have to deal with??" .. they are your fucking cabinet idiot.. fire them .. shouldn't have hired them.. thought u so smart .. whatever .. i never actually thought he was smart

[–]iDontShift 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ron Paul has nowhere near the money and influence

money maybe, but it isn't because trump earned it

Trump was always hitting the hornets ..he has ADD

whatever the fake disease ever. fucker knows exactly what he is doing because he is one of them.

he did everything to lead the q tards.. he did everything to lead folks that defended him.. to jail

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

trump put goldman sachs bankers in charge soon after being elected. Bait and switch. It's funny still seeing posts like this, Q tards still wondering why Trump betrayed them. He was just a reality show host in deep debt to bankers.

[–]Cornfed 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I think it is more that Trump is just a pathetic idiot who thinks of life is a reality TV show. If the network cancels his show unfairly then of course he will whine a bit but it would never occur to him to actually do anything about it.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Basically this, a fine example of Hanlon's razor.

[–]BravoVictor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Life, or at least public political life, is a reality tv show. The worst kind. The old joke about politics is that it's "Hollywood for ugly people".

It's not a coincidence that Obama spent an unusual amount of his time appearing on every late night comedy and talk show he could find. Obama had the same basic savviness for optics that Trump does. That any schmoozer does. They know that if you appeal to the right crowd, and seem personable and charismatic, you can get away with a lot. That's why the left loved Obama, despite him running on a platform that opposed to gay marriage. And why the right loved Trump, despite having a long history of not being a terribly conservative person, much less a Republican.

But where Obama could count on the unquestioning support of Hollywood, despite all the corruption and actual rape going on there, Trump had to gain support by painting the media and Hollywood as villians. Roles they gladly leapt into.

Of course, at the end of the day, even if a majority of the country liked Trump's policies, the majority of people running news outlets, and therefore telling people what to think about Trump, didn't like Trump. And that was the hurtle Trump couldn't overcome, even if he came close.

That's a burden any Republican has, and to Trump's credit, he did better than any Republican since Reagan. The first Bush was mediocre. The second Bush at least managed two terms, in part thanks to 9/11, but even he ended his term with a 20% approval rating, and was so hated by the media that the GOP lost all control of government. By contrast, Trump lost, yet did so still winning 12 million more votes than he did the first time. That's...unheard of.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like Nintendo fans that don't really mind being screwed by the big N since the death of Satori Iwata. Look up Iwata Mountain in BOTW which is a dedicated spot to his death. He actually took a huge paycut due to the fail of the Wii U.

[–]Ehhhhhh 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Absolutely.

He "set the stage" warning that it would happen, yet did nothing to prevent or document.

He hired controlled opposition lawyers to represent so that a "real" lawyer couldn't argue it. I mean, cmon. Giuliani played his part of 9/11 cover up, yet people trust him now??

He didn't want to win and deal with covid "warp speed" along with other crap. The true liberal leftists (not the fake media, extremist leftists) wouldn't have went along with "vaccines" and been more critical when jab related injuries started popping up and blamed him. Having biden in also lets biden be the "bad guy" and put a lot of shit into infrastructure bill. Shills keep pushing "dementia joe" to try and soften the outrageousness of what he is doing. It is intentional and he is aware of what he is doing. You can't play good cop, bad cop without both sides, eh..

This way, Trump waited for the worst part to be over and for the "necessary for elites" unpopular shit and EO to be put in, and can swoop in and try to look like the hero who was cheated while ushering in some "reset". Not sure if he will run or just heavily endorse the Chosen Candidate, though. He is a piece of shit either way.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Antichrist to the tilt. Hell he even signed the damn peace treaty on his way out which is VERY VERY important. A very likely scenario is things go to hell so bad under the Democrats the world gets desperate/scared and desperate/scared people do dumb things. He can come out later as the ultimate hero and people will love him. The Antichrist will be loved by most during the first 1/2 of the Tribulation ushering in a false peace. The Antichrist will specifically be slain and an image of him replaces (Hologram?) We have realistic technology now not counting Project Blue Beam.

[–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I doubt it. Trump pulled back the curtain on the rot in our society, and that's what the elites freaked out about. The think they can contain the rot as long as people don't see it, but most sane people realize that's not a long term strategy.

The left "clamping down on free speech" is good in the long run, as it's waking up millions of people to the corruption. A lot of Democrats are switching to Republican over it, or at least becoming disillusioned with Democrats, the media, and Silicon Valley. A society where only politically correct elites can speak their mind is not a democracy.

The international bankers all hate him and want him gone. They used the media and G00gle to screw him up and he SOMEHOW magically did NOT see it coming.

He saw it coming before he ran in 2016. Even idiots started questioning, "Wait, if Trump's been in the public eye for nearly 30 years, and has been friends with Democrats during virtually all of that time, then why are Democrats just now calling him Hitler 2.0?"

Assuming the election was fair, something we'll never know for sure, it's reasonable to say he over-estimated his chances to get out a swell of support. However, he still managed to get 12 million more votes than the first election. Very few Presidents have managed to pull that off. Not even Obama did that, even though he was still able to win against Romney.

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Most of our family is not however. They are stuck in their ways though of course they aren't saying anything positive about Biden they aren't calling him out either. They just remain 'silent'.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If he really pushed against Google and get the ball rolling others would've joined and helped him. He should've really made it hard instead of going after the lemmings.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Trump was a fluke at the right time and place with just the right opponent. He needs to back off now and let DeSantis close the deal in 2024.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

1) Just because weird stuff happened doesn't mean the election was stolen. Biden might have just won. Every election has hijinks.

2) The American government is not legitimate and elections are not a valid method of deciding anything, so there is nothing intrinsically better about a non-'rigged' election.

3) Trump was a useless grifter.

4) Politicians don't control government, bureaucrats and the media do.

So, in any case, I don't care. The USA needs to go away, the Constitution was a big government east coast merchant scam, and the American revolution was a mistake.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll send Xi Jinping your regards. He'll welcome you. Have fun kiddo!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The international bankers all hate him and want him gone.

Even after doing so much to keep the sock market intact and even after hooking Israel up with Jerusalem? Tax breaks for LLCs and LLPs?

Trump was never an outsider. He's a goddamn New York Democrat.

Nm, this guy says it better: https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/8tg5/any_chance_that_trump_might_have_allowed_the/wnvl

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not to the Democrats.