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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

No shit, type Zionism or Kalergi plan and wiki brings up Anti-Semitism and White Supremacy.

[–]Ermbern 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just read a very long page titled “Zionism” so I’m not sure wtf you are talking about.

[–]Brewdabier 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah like YT they have removed a lot, well if you don't like history just delet it and re write it as the jews did.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nineteen Eighty-Four

[–]Robin 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

If only there was an alternative, ... https://wikispooks.com?

[–]wristaction 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There are a lot of alternative wikis out there.

[–]Robin 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed. I recommend the 911 test to see how "alternative" they are.

e.g. https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/9/11_attacks

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As good as WikiSpooks?

[–]WhiteZealot 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Support and contribute to Metapedia.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

If you search for:

Larry Sanger wikipedia biased

You will see that he's been very upset with Wikipedia since 2002, when he left, and hasn't managed to succeed at much else since then. He'll complain about Wikipedia to anyone who'll listen, and probably makes more money bitching about the website than he does on anything else. Even if some of his complaints are legitimate, he seems to be a professional shill for the right-wing extremists who are unable to post disinformation at Wikipedia. Uncorroborated, misinformation and disinformation cannot be accepted for publication at Wikipedia. Sanger is - it seems - a shill, with no credibility. His approaches are so obviously biased toward extremist disinformation. His latest work is here: https://larrysanger.org/2021/06/wikipedia-is-more-one-sided-than-ever/

[–]Chipit[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

This is a personal attack, not an argument. Explicitly against saidit policy.

Because there isn't an argument against what he's saying. He's right. Wikipedia's NPOV has been ruined by leftists who only allow their own politically extreme point of view.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Chipit - I am merely offering some history about the source and why he's got an axe to gind. It's that simple. I didn't say that Sanger is a bad person or anything about his personal life. We should cross-examine sources, just as Sanger has done to cross-examine Wikipedia. There are right-wing writers on Wikipedia, for what it's worth. Regarding the points he'e made, there isn't much legitimately corroborated material on the so-called "The Biden Family Ukraine Scandal", or the "The Biden Family Chinese Deals", or some of his claims about the so-called "Antifa/BLM riots". There are serious holes in all of those arguments, due to lack of evidence, or also evidence to the contrary.

Let's pick "Antifa/BLM riots" as an example. First, during the BLM peaceful protests, 'antifa' was only a few people in each state, and not organized nationally. Portland had the only organized group that could be called 'antifa'. The Trump admin made this seem like an organized national movement at the time of the peaceful BLM protests, a small portion of which became riots. 99% of the BLM protests were not riots, but of course Sanger wants us to believe the disinformation about this. There are also numerous videos, shared at places like Reddit's /r/PublicFreakout that offered definitive proof of white, out of town, agitators in full black gear, torching buildings and murdering unarmed, peaceful protestors. Wikipedia has a responsibility to avoid disinformation and phrases like "Antifa/BLM riots". Do you agree?

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

https://thenationalpulse.com/bidenleaks/

Go check Biden's laptop yourself.

First, during the BLM peaceful protests, 'antifa' was only a few people in each state, and not organized nationally.

[citation needed]

Portland had the only organized group that could be called 'antifa'.

[citation needed]

The Trump admin made this seem like an organized national movement at the time of the peaceful BLM protests, a small portion of which became riots.

[citation needed]

99% of the BLM protests were not riots, but of course Sanger wants us to believe the disinformation about this.

[citation needed]

There are also numerous videos, shared at places like Reddit's /r/PublicFreakout that offered definitive proof of white, out of town, agitators in full black gear, torching buildings and murdering unarmed, peaceful protestors.

[citation needed] and suddenly Reddit is a credible source?

You're arguing against yourself. And losing.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

LOL and A+ for good work.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Chipit - you do realize, I hope - that you are attacking me in both of your statements, providing no counter arguments - other than one link - and expecting me to offer arguments. Regarding the one bit of evidence you want to use, thenationalpulse.com is entirely focused on extreme right-wing propaganda and disinformation. It's not a credible source, as you must know. You're proven with that link that you are not concerned with credible sources. Work on your arguments, supported by reliable, corroborated evidence.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, that's how it works. Cite sources! Make arguments! Personal attacks aren't arguments!

is entirely focused on extreme right-wing propaganda and disinformation

You're doing it again. You're not making arguments, you're attempting a character assassination. Likely because you can't refute the fact that the laptop's raw data is right there on the site. I'm starting to notice a pattern here.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The webside is not trustworthy, obviously. For example: how were those laptop contents obtained? How do we know that those are the actual contents? Because someone said so? Think about the sources and why they are not trustworthy. Those laptop contents were changed in order to fit the narrative at that website. It is obvious, common sense, logical, and there is no link that will provide the actual laptop contents because those sites cannot be trusted to provide the actual contents. Do you understand why this doesn't work?

Instead of attacking me, for the 3rd time, provide an argument and reliable evidence.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Those laptop contents were changed in order to fit the narrative at that website.

[citation needed]

Boy, how far you've driven the conversation from the topic: the destruction of Wikipedia's NPOV at the hands of left-wing political agitators. You paid social media influencers are getting better at this, just like I predicted.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Socks is a professional-level intentional timesuck.

Time wasted on socks is time not exposing or resisting tyranny.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You paid social media influencers

4th fucking attack, and your evidence is the laptop?

Think of it this way: are the so-called Biden laptop contents admissible in a court of law? Has the FBI shared all of the contents? Which portions have been shared? Will anyone in the FBI be able to corroborate that these contents came from the Biden laptop? There are some leaked emails that seem to trace back to the laptop as a source, but have the origins of those leaks been confirmed? Which emails are the newspapers most interested in? Although some of the emails indicate potential arrangements for communication between Biden family members and business associates, is there any evidence of wrongdoing? Did anyone break the law? The fact is: the supposed laptop contents and the emails cannot be used as evidence of anything illegal or of major consequence, and if it were permissible as evidence, it still doesn't point to anything illegal, and thus any claims of illegal activity are founded only on uncorroborated information. Keep in mind that the main stream news media are also trying their best to use this information to dig up dirt. Even the Washington Post tried to interpret an issue regarding a dinner meeting. Moreover, think about the way in which Rudy Giuliani was used to share this mysterious hard drive, about which we know very little. To use the best choice of words on this, see Wikipedia's summary, which starts with:

The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of unevidenced claims centered on the false allegation that while Joe Biden was vice president of the United States, he engaged in corrupt activities relating to the employment of his son Hunter Biden by the Ukrainian gas company Burisma..

Do you really need a citation for something that's so well-known? Does someone really want to pay me to tell people like you these basic facts? Absolutely not. Simply check the sources. You must know that posts at Saidit should be cross-examined for accuracy, if one wants to understand them.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that the laptop story was censored quickly became a bigger story than the actual laptop.

I can't believe you're actually citing Wikipedia in a thread about the destruction of Wikipedia's NPOV.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are serious holes in all of those arguments, due to lack of evidence, or also evidence to the contrary.

There are serious holes in all of socks' arguments, due to lack of evidence, or also OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary.

[–]thefirststone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

he seems to be a professional shill for the right-wing extremists who are unable to post disinformation at Wikipedia

Based.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

*biased

(What's wrong with the letter 'i' in this word, that it must be left out. Moreover, your comment is biased.)

[–]thefirststone 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm biased toward being based, I agree.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But is Larry Sanger actually wrong?

Or are you providing doubt, distraction, and bullshit cover excuses as you always do to serve your authoritarian depopulation agenda?

[–]wristaction 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If you've ever dug in with an edit, you understand the techniques left-neoliberals use to manage "authority" and the depths of their will to maintain control over every stray implication of a fact regardless of how subtle. It's breathtaking because, like jannies, they do it for free.

[–]wristaction 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You haven't seen a shitlib in full, white-knuckles narrative control mode until you've seen a the talk page for an article about a Democrat politician yellow-boxed and locked.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

True.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

they do it for free.

Partly true, partly false.

There are countless think tanks, NGOs, corporations, CIA fronts, Mossad fronts, and other secret agencies that have ARMIES of shills paid to maintain the "official narrative". Of course there are also countless ideological minions and brainwashed sheeple to also do their bidding.

[–]ArcturianDeathTrap 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Now that the facility of the digital tooling is more granular and refined, and theres no shortage of weak-minded grunts that are powertrippin to do what theyre told, by the telepath aliens in human disguise or transdimensionals with the ability to manipulate all digital processes or the government, as zealous intern lords over the online conversation or jannies of pre-crime trends, this is all now easier to implement when it will matter the most to our future: silencing anti-alien dissent after "arrival."

The Roswell trojan horse and social infiltration to pressure the farce of 2020, is paying off. Abductees/contactees with negative experiences of the 40+ species will be flagged as "agents of disinformation" and limited for "preemption of public criticism."

https://conspiracies.win/p/12jJGa0ULZ/world-economic-forum-makes-onlin/c/ https://reclaimthenet.org/world-economic-forum-makes-censorship/ https://archive.vn/FlcML

https://fair.org/home/us-censorship-is-increasingly-official/ https://archive.vn/44N5l

https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/normals-free-speech.html https://archive.vn/WVDGU

https://www.technocracy.news/technocracy-rising-world-economic-forum-announces-global-coalition-for-digital-safety/ https://archive.vn/7BBGX

https://newspunch.com/judge-blocks-floridas-law-on-social-media-censorship-targeting-big-tech/

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/a-case-of-intellectual-capture-on https://archive.vn/PiAB5

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps to counter their propaganda we should develop our own mythology:

A newly discovered race of interdimensional extraterrestrial alien conspiracy theorists are determined to expose the matrix of rigged Zionist systems to liberate humanity.

Of course in the process of waking up the masses this myth will self-destruct as it's revealed to be just a sugar coated capsule containing the many critical red pills necessary for the health and sanity of humanity in the global ruling class war.