Asking Utopians How: An Alternative Strategy for Defending Freedom of Speech - Areo. The people who attempt to cancel others in the name of some utopian project have usually never asked themselves how they would build their utopia. Because, if they did, the case for censorship would crumble.

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[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They are just pushing a religion, which IMO bears a lot of similarity to christianity. They promise salvation for everyone. Parity for POCs and women, regardless of performance. Everybody can go to socialist heaven if they vote for more government and UBI. Then we can all have equality.

Humans are never equal. We are always competing. We always arrange ourselves in hierarchies. Always. Its better to arrange your social hierarchy based on usefulness or merit in a high trust society where true information is honored.

Instead we are rearranging society based on who is the best at cheating and lying to stupid people. Progressivism is just a fake religion that promises salvation from evolution. There is no systemic racism toward blacks. They dont function as well in white societies because they evolved to think and behave differently. Racism is false belief that a bunch of powerful progressives have pushed to brainwash whites in to giving away their wealth and land and safety to people that didn’t earn it, and that whites are better off without. Same with muslims who are demonstrably more violent. Same with LGBTQ people who cause a laundry list of social problems and are not assets.Women dont make good cops or soldiers or scientists. We should stop pushing gender parity in these jobs. Its a disaster.

Progressives just want a total separation from behavior and consequences. They blindly worship government as some benevolent entity that will make it all fair somehow.

If we taught evolution to all children with greater emphasis it would be much harder to brain wash them in this nonsense. Progressives nominally accept evolution but they don’t understand its implications. They believe in magic government. That lawyers and judges, or people with PhDs define the truths of reality.

Christianity promised that everyone could be saved and become a good person and get to heaven. Its not really true. There are people that will never do anything but steal and commit violence, because they have bad genes or brain damage. Praying wont fix it.

Communism or progressivism makes equally silly assertions, like blacks just academically underperform because some white guy was mean to them once. Its a lie.

Alot of the billionaires and powerful technocrats pushing this woke crap don’t even believe it. They just cynically promote this stupidity to kids to increase social chaos so they can grab more power.

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I think that even evolution would be weaponized, with continued shitty behavior just blamed on that. There seems to be a level of cognitive awareness to create some sort of change. Mentioning that, what people generally consider prayer and positive mantras-- could that technically be a form of cognitive behavioral therapy? I'll look into this. There's bound to be something on it.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are thinking that if it can be established that a person is a criminal because they have criminal genes then you can’t put them in jail, yes?

But maybe instead, it causes people to accept that the guy that has several felony convictions including violent assaults should not be sentenced to 5 years, he should be sentenced to 30, with no parole, because he wont stop harming people until he is in a wheel chair. With most of these people there is no hope of rehabilitation. Its a fantasy. Christians in particular seem to cling to the idea that career criminals can “get right with god” and become good people. They can’t.

A half assed incomplete teaching of evolution can be abused, but a good understanding of evolution should provide some mental immunity to shitlib thinking.

There seems to be a level of cognitive awareness to create some sort of change

Can you elaborate?

I think religious behavior is useful otherwise we wouldn’t see it so pervasively in every society. So praying or meditating clearly does something. Maybe seeing a therapist could work similarly. But I see the fundamental tenets of psychotherapy to be false and also harmful. It seems to reward narcissistic self obsession and imagined victimhood over functionality.

And therapy can not fix truly crazy people or people that are just predatory and abusive. It cant do that.

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No, not that. If a person takes information that they've learned from evolution, and decides that a particular behavior that they've performed is simply a part of their nature or how they've evolved to be. Basically just them dismissing away their own shitty deeds by saying they've evolved that way, and then expecting a get out of jail free card because it's just ×how they are×.

I would like to think that you're right, or just move and groove towards faster death sentences. I'm not a big believer in the idea that people can change if they've offended more than once, may as well not have to pay for wasted efforts on rehabilitation/food/medical care and burden the system.

When half the population is lower than average IQ, we run into the issue of people actually being able to make sense of evolution. You can try to teach a dog not to shit in the house, but if it's missing whatever is necessary to make sense of that information-- it's just going to keep shitting in the house. A lot of people are stupid regardless of IQ as well.

Can you elaborate?

The "spark" of critical thought. An ability to be self aware and attempt to understand your own actions as well as the actions of others.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26836415/ this is a paper on anxiety patients undergoing cognitive behavioral therapy, with neuroplasticity in mind. I found a paper on the development of programs involving people from different religions with religious aspects tied in with CBT, if you're interested. My speculation was that prayer and positive thought patterns could help to "rewire" the mind similarly to how it's thought that CBT does. I'll go into it more if you've got more questions, my brain is blue screening at this point.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4457450/

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Basically just them dismissing away their own shitty deeds by saying they've evolved that way,

Good point. I have sometimes thought that even though I believe we have no free will, we might “work better” if we believe that we do. We can’t mentally always behave as though we have no choice in everything. We certainly live with the illusion of free will.

When half the population is lower than average IQ,

I hate that. Lets do something about that! ;-P

Yes, people with <100 IQ don’t have a great chance of grasping alot of this. They shouldnt vote. Or serve on juries. No votes for shit-on-the-floor people.

Hmm. I looked at those studies a little bit. I am just very skeptical of any sort of therapy medical claims. Perhaps because a pursued it for so very long and sunk a decent amount of money into it and ended up with all the problems I started out with and considerably less money. Kind of seems like hopium to me now.

But the amygdala thing was interesting.

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I hate that. Lets do something about that! ;-P

Yes, people with <100 IQ don’t have a great chance of grasping alot of this. They shouldnt vote. Or serve on juries. No votes for shit-on-the-floor people.

Eh, if only it were the smooth-brains doing it though. Standards for educational institutions have tanked, but there are still extremely intelligent people that start or continue buying into these fucking John Lennon "Imagine" style ways of life (along with a ton of other absolutely retarded ideas) and fail to understand that human nature is just grey at best. Sidenote derail: why do people glorify that fucking song? Why would anyone consider life utopia when you're effectively just a husk touting mantras about brotherhood with an even less meaningful life than in this world? Just hock all your shit, eat berries and fuck in the chigger-laiden grass until you rot-- sounds like a hellscape.

I'm relatively skeptical about psychology myself, as it's never cure-driven. I don't know enough about the neural processes involved in how we think, it's something I would have to see in person during a few different experiments before settling down on any solid opinions. I do think that there's a level of shutting out negative thought processes that would be beneficial, especially when the sympathetic nervous system comes into play-- like with anxiety or panic disorders. If someone has the ability to see the brighter side of things despite everything being terrible, I shall sit my pessimistic ass out and let them run with it. It does carry that odor of Wishythinking though, and seems like it makes one more effective at lying to themself than anything else.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Imagine"

I used to really like that song as a kid. It is very appealing to believe that we can all live like this. If you build a society of totally altruistic “peace love and harmony” people, or “tolerance” people, it is paradise for a liar. He can lie and cheat and steal and masquerade as an altruist and no one will catch on. A liar can be enormously successful in such an environment. This is always a risk in a high trust “honest” society.

Everything about that song is in direct conflict with what we know human beings to be according to evolution

eat berries and fuck in the chigger-laiden grass until you rot-- sounds like a hellscape.

Lol

Sheltered people, people in their teens and twenties, are more likely to buy this pretty package of an egalitarian one-world utopia. But different nations and races really do play by different rules, and they are largely gene based. You have to have the same set of rules upon which to operate an ordered society.

A group of machiavellian liars largely run our society. They don’t loot our country like a pack of gypsies. They just changed the laws to allow them to to loot us legally. They just brainwash every college kid that its good and virtuous to allow looting and exploitation to occur. They brainwash kids that countries are mean, and moral standards are mean and people that don’t behave like whores and drug addicts are lame. Indoctrinating people with this “Imagine” dogma makes it easy for them to loot and exploit. Attacking people with standards as Nazis and racists helps them to root out the people who are genetically predisposed to see what is going on. It is a way to cull the herd. It is a way to breed more compliant livestock.

I do think that there's a level of shutting out negative thought processes that would be beneficial, especially when the sympathetic nervous system comes into play-- like with anxiety or panic disorders. If someone has the ability to see the brighter side of things despite everything being terrible, I shall sit my pessimistic ass out and let them run with it. I

I think what you are describing is religion. Perhaps modern psychology is using our modern increased understanding of brain function to accomplish its ideological aims. Which seem to be fairly consistently progressive aims. But they always fall short of delivering their promises of becoming really effective and self actualized in life. They make a lot of money and fail to deliver. I feel like, as a society, we have uncritically accepted therapists as the new priests. We have given them legal recognition as experts in human nature over all other religions. And they are a pack of woke assholes. I think they are at the root of all this social justice crap. They have sanctified dysfunction and victimhood. Blessed are the neurotic. I would even argue that they are turning on negative thought processes. They are engaging the victimhood circuitry.