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    [–]AFutureConcern 38 insightful - 2 fun38 insightful - 1 fun39 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    I think it is working as intended. This is just a ploy by them to further turn the screws.

    Furthermore, we know that "toxicity" is not the reason they are banning these subreddits. They are banning subreddits that are against the SJW cult ideology; Trump supporters, dissident rightists, rightists in general, anybody pro-white, classical liberals, gender-critical feminists. You can say that these groups have an "edgier" sense of humor than other groups but only because their views are against the prevailing narrative. Some of those subreddits like r/DebateAltRight had extremely strict moderation and generally cordial discussion; the ultimate reason it was banned was purely ideological and nothing to do with how "toxic" the comments were.

    I don't want people to get complacent. If censorship didn't work, they wouldn't do it. Imagine the popularity of "forbidden" ideas today if they hadn't been ruthlessly purged from reddit, youtube, facebook and others. AI algorithms are coming and are going to do a far better job of moderating forbidden thoughts the moment they appear. They'll scour sites like saidit and effectively purge any thoughts on mainstream sites that look anything like e.g. what I've typed here. Censorship works, and it must be stopped.

    [–]Madsea 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Re-reading 1984 and I’m just at a total loss as to how we’ve let ourselves get to this point.

    [–]Nub 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    DebateAltRight

    That was because it was giving a platform to hate-filled ideology.

    Reddit let it exist for years but they kept breaking rules promoting hate. I guess that's pretty hard considering its genocide is in the alt-right playbook.

    https://i.imgur.com/qsb9CWD.png

    https://i.imgur.com/9LsA1es.png

    https://i.imgur.com/wH7anKv.png

    https://i.imgur.com/awwlnMk.png

    https://i.imgur.com/hz40Dlr.jpg

    This is all archived and easily backed up. Stop lying about the past.

    For The_Donald, Their #1 rule was banning any form of dissenting opinions for years before they were forced to change it. Anyone who questioned trump ideology was banned with troll reasons like "get gud", "libtard mad." or "SJW" https://i.imgur.com/vDdGax2.png

    The moment they were banned from Reddit they changed their website's first rule to banning dissenting opinions again. It still is like this now so tell me if it bothers you when the right-wing communities censor and ban dissent.

    [–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That was because it was giving a platform to hate-filled ideology.

    The word "hate", in this context, is used specifically to demonize anti-egalitarian thought. It doesn't really have anything to do with the emotion of hatred. In your case you've searched the archive for the worst examples, and only your first example shows any sign of expressing the emotion of hatred (comparing non-whites to animals) - I agree this post should be removed, but it's hardly representative of right-wing ideology. Banning entire communities on the back of posts like this is open to abuse which we know is rampant.

    Reddit let it exist for years but they kept breaking rules promoting hate. I guess that's pretty hard considering its genocide is in the alt-right playbook.

    The rules against promoting "hate" are really egalitarian dogma; if you look at any site's terms of service the rules against "hate" are simply a long list of identities and how you basically can't generalize them negatively (and effectively therefore, not positively either). It doesn't prevent a long screed about how much you literally hate Donald Trump, or how you hate Nazis so much you want to punch them. Since left-wing thought is egalitarian, and right-wing thought is anti-egalitarian, rules against "hate" are explicitly the exact kind of ideological censorship I was talking about.

    For The_Donald, Their #1 rule was banning any form of dissenting opinions for years before they were forced to change it. Anyone who questioned trump ideology was banned with troll reasons like "get gud", "libtard mad." or "SJW"

    The moment they were banned from Reddit they changed their website's first rule to banning dissenting opinions again. It still is like this now so tell me if it bothers you when the right-wing communities censor and ban dissent.

    The_Donald is an outpost of right-wing thought in a sea of leftist censorship. Don't forget the degree to which Trump supporters were censored on reddit; simply posting on The_Donald was enough to get banned from other subreddits. I think if we can't have free and open discussion, we should at least have censorship going both ways. If one side is doing the majority of the censorship, and the other clings to free speech alone, that asymmetry will mean the censors win.

    There is also a matter of what is being censored. If pornography is censored, as on saidit, I don't mind at all. Or if opposition to Donald Trump on a forum dedicated to his supporters is censored, I can at least understand. But when factual statements ("hate facts") are banned from discussion on an ostensibly neutral "politics" subreddit, or when an ostensibly neural platform bans entire groups or unpersons people because of their politics (you can't even praise certain people on Facebook), we're talking full-on malicious, dishonest, ideological censorship of ideas that are extremely popular among the general public like covid-skepticism or anti-immigration. That's a whole other level to censorship that eclipses anything communities like The_Donald have done.

    [–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Or if opposition to Donald Trump on a forum dedicated to his supporters is censored, I can at least understand

    Agreed. I have no problem with one-sided communities where we know the default position is biased. There you can see the range of opinions on that side, in their natural habitat. They're useful as a point of reference for debate at least.

    Debate should of course be welcome, perhaps in a separate forum that doesn't derail the original community because of numbers. That's what r/GenderCritical and r/GCdebatesQT did (both are now on saidit for supposed "hate" since the purge). I would have hoped that debate spaces like that where contentious opposition is expected to happen should at least remain, even if it is an ideology you disagree with like r/debateAltRight.

    [–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Censorship is the prelude to genocide. Unironically.