No, the woke won't debate you. Here's why.

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[–]latuspod 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This was a great article and quite enlightening to me. It does a good job of showing and undersranding the woke perspective, which is very cynical. It also makes sense when you then think about why they work to cancel and shut down people who disagree with them, and also why they are rioting, burning neighborhoods and tearing down statues. They believe the only legitimate way to fight the system is to complete destroy it and rebuild society as their ethno-communist utopia.

[–]dandeliondynasty 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

This is very helpful, thank you. It has baffled me that conservative friends who see my political positions as sin and infanticide are more willing to hear me out than liberal friends who think I am, at most, guilty of hurting someone’s feelings.

[–]latuspod 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The liberals think you are literally killing people by denying their identities though. Even though you arent.

[–]Dragonerne 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, they don't actually. Leftists say a lot of things but there is no deep thought about it. It's just rationalized anti-white hatred.

They have no issues with saying the most disgusting and vile things about white people and they have no issue denying that white people even exist and they gladly do those two things in the same paragraph.

If they think you are literally killing people by denying their identities, then that should tell you what they think that they themselves are doing when they deny that whites exist.

[–]Honestanonymous 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No they are just making u think its about white hatred its only about accumulating power by any means necessary, read the article

[–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

https://www.out.com/lifestyle/2020/7/08/92-year-old-gay-grandad-shares-first-true-love-reveals-memoir

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

?

[–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

a bedtime story for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xarC2S3t_FI

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

?

[–]jet199[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well some times they mean literally literally, like when they really believe there's a epidemic of trans killings when actually they are the safest group, but some time they are actually talking about the narcissistic collapse they have when someone questions their world view. Their nice/woke/queer persona can disappear in an instance if questioned (because there's nothing real to hold it up) which feels like a death to them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You are talking about abortion yes? I am curious though, do you think abortion can be done for any reason at any stage of pregnancy? Do Radical feminists in general support abortion at any stage for any reason?

[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Different person.

I don't support it at every stage. I think any reason up until 13 weeks then you need a reason, but that can be distress rather than illness. It depends on what country you are from. Most rad fems from countries where they have a religious right trying to outlaw all abortion are extremist on having the right to course choose at any stage because they have to be. If they give an inch they lose it all. Those of us from counties where you can have a civil debate are more nuanced.

This Rad fems need to look at the whole issue and abortion can be used to control women as well as giving them choice. Many young mother's are told its their fault if their schools or employers discriminate against them as they could have just had an abortion. That's not a real free choice, that's just moving the judgement of whether a woman should be allowed keep a pregnancy or not from doctors to snobs and misogynists. Then you have the whole horrible issue of abusers coercing their victims to have abortions they don't want.

The main thing is that the mother's life and health (including mental health) is paramount throughout pregnancy. In some counties women are dragged into surgery against their will because doctors value the pregnancy over the woman or women are allowed to die because available treatment would hurt the fetus (which then usually dies with the mother anyway). Those things are not right and it's a pretty simple fix in law and medicine to prioritise the born over the unborn.

[–]yishengqingwa666 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't know what you're talking about. Ask radfems instead of making up lies. We have been working these issues for hundreds of years before you were even born.

https://radicalhubarchives.wordpress.com/radfem-101/

https://radicalhubarchives.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/global-population-to-reach-7-billion/

[–]jet199[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your links don't work.

Also radical feminism started in the 1960s so your comment dosen't make any sense either.

[–]yishengqingwa666 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. Women get 100% body sovereignty.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even in the latest stage of pregnancy when the baby is 100% healthy and is viable to live outside the womb?

[–]Kabubum 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

There is nothing 'liberal' about the woke left. Instead they are a bunch of authoritarians. If you don't agree with them, then it is either you haven't fully understood their message, or you actively want to oppress them. There is no room for genuine disagreement, their ideology takes up the whole space of permissible thought.

[–]Honestanonymous 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed this isn't liberalism this is anarchist insanity

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Wow.

That was far, far worse than I ever imagined. They have thrown away Enlightenment thinking. This leads nowhere but back to darkness and tyranny.

I always wondered how civilizations collapsed when they were doing so well. I can see it clearly now - things got so good that people began attacking the foundations of what they had, thinking they could achieve Utopia. Plus, ugly jealousy and a desire to hurt those who achieved so much. Well, a couple centuries from now the Chinese will probably get to this point. The American Century didn't even last 100 years.

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think people do this just because they have it so good.

They do it because everyone has it so good that the powerful have to find a way to stop smart, hard working people rising up the class system and kicking them and their kids down the ladder. That method is often the enforcement of extremely complex, nonsensical etiquette, the kind you need to be trained from birth to do properly. It's about entrenching power. It brings about social collapse because they end up shutting out the best and brightest in favour of connected people who can spout the most fashionable bullshit.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What a pack of lies. The rulers regularly recruit bright people from the lower classes. You're in some pre French revolution fantasy world. Etiquette? Like what? There are no courtly manners to be followed.

Woke ideology teaches us that being smart is false because IQ tests are a lie and that hard work is a racist value.

These people can't see how good things are today and only see we are blackest evil. Facts and logic are tools of oppression and Enlightenment thought must be destroyed.

[–]jet199[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"Etiquette? Like what? There are no courtly manners to be followed."

What do you think repeating woke mantras, admitting your privilege, issuing grovelling apologies when flamed, promising to do better, is? This isn't normal behaviour. It's a performance. It's ritual.

[–]Aureus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. "Etiquette" is a perfect way to describe the rigors and speech requirements that political correctness demands.

[–]Extract 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Feel free to repost this on /s/ShillWall so I can upvote this again.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

this is done to discredit the left, so that leftwing economics cannot succeed

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is this a joke? Leftwing economics colllapse on their own with no help required. See: Venezuela.

[–]latuspod 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The left is actively discrediting itself so their economics don't succeed?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

the rich own both parties and don't want leftwing economics. So they allow and push weird sjw and racist things like BLM and antifa which have nothing to do with economics. It annoys most americans which discredits the left. During Obama he sold out on every issue so occupy wall st started in response, he had FBI and homeland security coordinate with mayors to crush it.

[–]jet199[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

OK, this is quite a good take. The woke movement is completely corporate. That's a bit weird.

[–]fuck-reddit-forever 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Too tired to debate their nonsensical views, but not too tired to invade a neighborhood and yell on a loud speaker that they are going to fuck your wife and children with a strap on?

Not buying it. The main reason is that they are a bunch of kids throwing tantrums. I've never seen a kid having a meltdown in store, etc., seeking any rational discussion about their behavior.

It's the same with SJWs, but these crying babies are college-aged instead of the usual 3 year old tantrumer.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are handlers behind the useful idiots.

[–]Honestanonymous 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah kids having tantrums that are running the biggest social media networks in the world influencing elections changing views and gradually gaining positions of power globally....

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    [–]Honestanonymous 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Spotted the libtard

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://saidit.net/s/WatchRedditDie/comments/5ce0/reddit_took_away_my_freedom_of_speech/

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaa

    [–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Not all leftists are woke authoritarian. A lot of us are just leftists and we will debate people sometimes. But being willing to debate sometimes doesn't mean I always have the patience to take on all comers, since I am not a professional debater and I also enjoy other activities such as eating pizza, making art projects, writing fiction, spending time with humans I love and sometimes even working at a job. I get really sick of internet randos alleging that I won't debate them (or I'm cutting off a conversation) because I don't have a good argument when in fact I just find their argument illogical or boring and I strongly suspect that debating this person will involve an hour or more of sending links to information that they will dismiss as "fake news" or making ethical or logical assertions which they will flat out deny, leaving us both in the same space we were before we started debating, only now with both of us having wasted an hour of our lives that could have been spent eating pizza.

    So yeah, there are shitty leftists that won't debate people because they don't have real arguments. But sometimes if a leftist doesn't want to debate you it's because you're not the greatest debater yourself or they're just actually not in the mood to argue on the internet. Be self-aware. You can't improve other people, but you can improve yourself. And any honest person should have an interest in improving themselves by reading philosophy or long form books on politics/history/etc.

    [–]Honestanonymous 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not talking about leftists exactly, more the "woke" critical social justice people

    [–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The article made it pretty clear that the writer thinks there is a gigantic difference between the left (liberals) and the neo-marxists (woke). In fact, that is what the article is completely about.

    [–]quickbeam 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't have to agree with the author's definitions or categorizations. There are economic leftists and cultural leftists. Many people are both. But even among people who are both some of those people tend towards authoritarian/anti-debate mindsets and others tend towards strong belief in freedom of speech. I'd say older leftists (over 40) tend largely to be pro-free speech and able to debate, much more than people who might identify as "liberal" and "woke."

    [–]beyoncepaddock 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    interesting stuff. #4 must be tucker carlson and #1 should be mental illness or victim mentallity but i guess im just saying that becuase of my oppressive reality and my desire to be oppressed. lmao. oh and one last thing anybody notice they have no sense of humor left or joy in their non existent souls yeah theres that.

    [–]CastleHoward 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    James Lindsay is the only person I support financially. I send him £5/month and he's working night and day for reason and truth.

    [–]Honestanonymous 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    One of the best posts I've seen about this topic in a while

    [–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Sure makes my brain hurt, though. ;]

    [–]Honestanonymous 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    agreed, its very dense

    [–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They combine, however, to produce the first thing everyone needs to understand about this ideology: it is a complete worldview with its own ethics, epistemology, and morality, and theirs is not the same worldview the rest of us use. Theirs is, very much in particular, not liberal.

    I like this part. Coming from a libertarian point of view I have always had a bit of a grudge about how the word "liberal" has been used.