In 2017 I didn't see JK Rowling, Noam Chomsky, and the rest of The Letter's signatories defending this man for being persecuted for speech the far left found offensive. We told you defending his speech was defending your own. Now a scant three years later and the mob has arrived for you.

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[–]Nelumbo 24 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

Probably because none of the signatories had any idea who the fuck this guy is or what he got in trouble for. Do you have links to any of these people condemning him? If not it isn't hypocrisy.

Also I didn't see Dankula condemning right wingers for wanting to ban Superhero Jesus

https://www.citizengo.org/en/md/167848-dc-comics-slated-release-blasphemous-series-about-jesus

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/dc-comics-over-100k-people-petition-pull-second-coming-comic/

Clearly this means Dankula is a hypocrite and the right wing deserves to have the mob of censors turn on themselves /sarcasm.

Stop pretending that wanting to censor free speech is just a lefty thing.

[–]Chipit[S] 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (25 children)

had any idea who the fuck this guy is or what he got in trouble for.

It was a huge story at the time. He was widely condemned and when he was convicted a large cheer went up. Humorlessness is an important feature of Puritanism.

If not it isn't hypocrisy.

They are not in favor of free speech. They are only in favor of their own speech. There's a huge difference. None of this was a problem until they themselves were personally threatened by it.

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/dc-comics-over-100k-people-petition-pull-second-coming-comic/

This isn't censorship. It's just disrespect. Ask yourself if they would do the same thing about Mohammed. And if not, why not? Remember when Comedy Central had that episode that featured Mohammed?

Stop pretending that wanting to censor free speech is just a lefty thing.

It is, though.

Cite examples of the right censoring the left. The overwhelming majority of calls for censorship are coming from the left not the right.

[–]brightlightbellend 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not censorship when it's disrespectful! You utter fucking moron.

[–]Chipit[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't even parse that statement.

So I guess nobody has any citations. Yup, pretty much what I expected.

[–]PrisonMike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah what a world it would be if everyone would just be nice but censoring anything is a slippery slope. Just think.. who is deciding what to censor?

[–]Nelumbo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

He was widely condemned and when he was convicted a large cheer went up.

Then link to signatories of the letter condemning him. The left is not a hivemind.

This isn't censorship. It's just disrespect.

lmao ok and plenty of people would say teaching your dog to sieg heil is disrespecting holocaust victims.

They are not in favor of free speech. They are only in favor of their own speech.

like you getting butthurt over superhero jesus

Ask yourself if they would do the same thing about Mohammed. Remember when Comedy Central had that episode that featured Mohammed?

They censored it cause they were afraid of being bombed by islamic extremists, not left wingers. South Park isn't afraid to piss off leftists, see "strong woman". I support both superhero Jesus and superhero Mohammed.

Cite examples of the right censoring the left.

Superhero Jesus https://www.citizengo.org/en/md/167848-dc-comics-slated-release-blasphemous-series-about-jesus

Harry Potter book burnings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series#Christianity

Dixie Chicks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy

Videogames https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(activist) Thompson is right wing and tried blaming Doom and other games for school shootings https://www.inverse.com/article/12633-attorney-jack-thompson-and-his-personal-vendetta-against-video-games

Thompson: "At the wrongful death trial, we brought a world renowned child psychologist who testified that, if not for the influence of this movie and the game Doom, Michael Carneal [the shooter] would never have been capable of any of this." "I told him my greatest fear is that other teenagers would have access to these kinds of pop-culture materials and that it might inspire further violence. Eight days later, Columbine happens. Those shooters both reference Doom and The Basketball Diaries in their suicide video. It’s a terrible thing to be the guy who predicted Columbine. "

John Romero, one of Doom's designers (I think the main one?), is obnoxiously left wing (he's into trans activism and tells Trump voters to unfriend him on twitter).

Then there's all this other shit on citizengo about wanting to ban a Gay Jesus film, Sesame Street, and so on...

https://www.citizengo.org/en-af/rf/175897-ask-netflix-cancel-film-depicting-jesus-homosexual

https://www.citizengo.org/en/fm/180572-boycott-sesame-street

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Then link to signatories of the letter condemning him.

Nice! There was no letter and I never claimed there was. Just general laughter when he was arrested and "he deserved it" when he was convicted.

As for the rest of your Gish Gallop, none of those were successful censorship campaigns. How does Doom inspiring the Columbine shooting have anything to do with censorship and cancel culture?

The right to be offensive is fundamental to free speech. Everyone said, Count Dankula is the canary in the coal mine, if they come after him they'll come after you, too. Leftists just gave a big middle finger.

A Scottish judge is leaving the courtroom, wiping tears of laughter. Another judge says, why are you laughing so hard? The first judge says, I just heard the funniest joke ever. The other judge says, well what was it? The first judge says, I can't tell you, I just fined a man 800 pounds for that joke!

[–]Nelumbo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There was no letter and I never claimed there was.

Wtf? I'm talking about this letter https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53330105 you know, the one you're butthurt about in the title? Link to a statement by one of the people who signed it, such as Chomsky, condemning Dankula, since you're saying everyone was doing so.

none of those were successful censorship campaigns.

This is moving the goalposts. Also superhero Jesus was a successful censorship campaign.

How does Doom inspiring the Columbine shooting have anything to do with censorship and cancel culture?

I doubt Doom inspired Columbine, that's just what Jack Thompson thinks. To answer your question, Thompson has rejected arguments that video games like Doom are protected by freedom of expression, saying, "Murder simulators are not constitutionally protected speech. They're not even speech. They're dangerous physical appliances that teach a kid how to kill efficiently and to love it".

The right to be offensive is fundamental to free speech.

In an earlier post here you condoned the censorship of superhero Jesus because you found it disrespectful.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Then link to signatories of the letter condemning him.

There was no letter condemning Dankula. You're making things up. There was, however, a big cheer when he was convicted. The general sense was that a good deed had been done. The warnings that he was a canary in a coal mine, and that their own speech was next, were given the middle finger.

Thompson has rejected arguments that video games like Doom are protected by freedom of expression

Thompson is a universally reviled figure. Pretending he somehow represents anyone in 2020 is ridiculous, but you knew that already. Right?

In an earlier post here you condoned the censorship of superhero Jesus because you found it disrespectful.

Wow, you new Saidit users have the worst reading comprehension ever. Are you deliberately misreading arguments so that you can appear to win, or are you really having that much difficulty understanding when other people speak? I'm honestly curious at this point. It keeps happening.

I said it was disrespect, which it was. I did not condone the censorship. I pointed out that nobody would dare to similarly disrespect Islam.

[–]Nelumbo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was no letter condemning Dankula.

I didn't say so, I said the people who signed this letter in 2020 did not condemn him when he was being persecuted, so they are not hypocrites.

Thompson is a universally reviled figure.

yeah cuz he's a shitty right winger who doesn't believe in free speech

are you really having that much difficulty understanding when other people speak?

I'm not the one who was called an inbred shill by someone else in this thread lol

I did not condone the censorship.

You said it wasn't censorship.

[–]TheKsist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Humorlessness is an important feature of Puritanism.

You obviously don't know anything about Puritans then.

[–]Quixoticfutz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You really asking for proof of right wing censoring things? Think about that for a second, you'll be flooded with proof

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Nah. I thought about it. Nothing comes to mind. The overwhelming calls for censorship today come from the left and far left.

[–]Quixoticfutz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Someone else has already given you a handful of examples, there are hundreds more. There's no point in fooling ourselves and pretending one side of the political spectrum as a monopoly on censorship, especially if you're truly interested in fighting against it.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

there are hundreds more

You should be able to easily cite them, then.

This is the most bizarre argument I've had on this website so far. People claiming that left-wing censorship isn't a problem, and that right-wing censorship is not only equally prevalent, but equally effective.

The anti-free speech rhetoric I've seen out of the left these past few years has been vehement and overwhelming. Remember the Berkeley Anti-Free Speech Riot of 2017? When a man was threatened with bodily harm just for wanting to speak some words? Speech that offends is actually violence, and we've seen activists use actual violence to stop it - and to defend this as self-defense-when authorities fail to do so. Multiple citations: http://www.dailycal.org/2017/02/07/violence-self-defense/

[–]Quixoticfutz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Do you need even more than the ones already given to you and am I really supposed o believe you have no knowledge of right wing censorship throughout the world and even different eras? Come now.

You must be having that discussion by yourself then, my point was that both left wing and right wing are doing it.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You still haven't cited any examples. The 90s, really?

[–]Quixoticfutz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah because someone else alreayd has and if you're ignoring that it means you don't really care for examples, you'd just plug your ears and dimiss them as you're alreay doing, besides, anyone that claims not to be aware of any examples of right wing censorship is either a newborn (which you don't seem to be) or is actively in denial and lying. Thus, what's the point?

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That which is presented without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

I can see you're unused to the pyramid of debate, in which unfounded claims cannot be made. It's a big change from reddit.

[–]weirdthorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Huge story? Where? I had to read the comments to find out that this is some random Youtuber known as "Hitler dog guy". You might want to find a better example than some unknown dude.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Stop pretending that wanting to censor free speech is just a lefty thing.

Good call. Chipit is an inbred shill.

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This post richly deserves a downvote, if it were possible.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why? It's inconvenient and points out that The Letter's signatories are only in favor of their own speech?

[–]Nelumbo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You only replied to Richard_Parker and ignored my post because you couldn't refute me 😏

https://saidit.net/s/censorship/comments/5bya/in_2017_i_didnt_see_jk_rowling_noam_chomsky_and/kf9n