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[–]cant_even 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

DARPAGoogle is about as much a "private company" as BMW, Bayer, IG Farben and Messerschmitt were in 1944.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Well that's because the National Socialists were socialists. With socialism, there is no distinction betwen the government and private industry. Same thing in China. Same thing in Venezuela.

Just because a company seeks political influence and the government works with and subpoenas a private company and even though a lot of private companies get cash in various forms (Intel-Q etc . ) from the government, you'd be blurring distinctions which need to be admitted if you say the US Government and Google are one in the same entity.

Here's an observation. A lot of the pain from bad theorizing that get passed around here on Saidit is traceable to an inability to observe fine and frankly not-so-fine distinctions. I think people are simply unable to make these disticntions or it seems like drudgery to them. They don't want to know reality in its fullness, they want a hot theory of everything. It causes them only anguish in the end, because none of what occupies their minds corresponds to reality. When your map doesn't correspond to reality, you're constantly frustrated, thwarted and your efforts come to naught.

When that happens, people blame some conspiracy . They never doubt the map of reality they've built for themselves.

There are conspiracies, for sure, but it's not the Jews or the Rothschilds etc. etc. In the second case what we have is over-monied busybodies who wish they could do what people say they do do, but they can't.

In the first case, it's more complex, but still wrongheaded. Cultural Jews are majority radical liberals and minority conservatives. Religious Jews are still majority liberal and minority conservative. What you're seeing is a bunch of like minded liberals pushing a very very liberal agenda. It's not about their Jewishness; it's about their extreme liberal positioning. Why are so many Jews so extreme and liberal and politically active ? It's not clear. There are tons that are just the opposite.

When the Russian Revolution was happening, the rap it is was a Jewsih revolution because there were so many prominent Jews in the inner core. But that was because for centuries they had been mercilessly persecuted, never left alone to live in peace in Russia, for centuries. So Bolsheivism seemed like a new, good idea to them, as it would have to you if you were them. You can hardly blame them for clinging together and throwing in with this new thing which promised to erase ethnic hatred and replace it with the New Soviet Man.

Sure Jews control Hollywood and Hollywood spews ultra-liberal highly destructive ideas. Ultra-liberal ideas are inherently anti-Western anti-individual, anti-social, really. But those Jews aren't all Jews. Lots of Jews hate those Jews for exactly the same reason and to the same extent I do, because they're highly motivated fanatics who are out of touch with reality and their ideas (such as they are) are destructive.

The amount of ridiculous and silly anti-Jewish conspiracy theorizing I read on here is disappointing. I refuse to ascribe it to racism. It's just bad theorizing over the field of a very complex world.

This goes to individual ability to discern what qualifies as evidence for a theory. People just aren't rigorous enough themselves. They lack a skeptical turn of mind, not towards the world (which they're highly suspicious of), but towards their own thoughts and reasoning ability.

The purpose, the utility of arguing is not primarily to convince your opponent; your opponent may be unconvincable because of the above flaws in their reasoning. The point of debating is in the unseen readers of the debate. The lurkers. They're the vast majority of netizens and your job as a debater is to personify in a convincing way good reasoning and argumentation such that the lurkers are persuaded and your opponent's flaws in reasoning become clear and in that clarity, present an object lesson in what not to do and who not to be.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You are confusing socialism with communism.

Communism controls the means of production. Corporations controlled by government. This is totalitarianism.

Socialism regulates and provides social services, including safety nets, paid for by taxes. Corporations are taxed.

Capitalism "regulates" and externalizes costs as much as possible. Corporations control the government. This is inverted totalitarianism.

All have pros and cons and all are utterly corrupted by humans.

My recent thoughts on Jews. Zionist Jews don't just control Hollywood, they also control all the banks and Washington and all the levers of power beyond, including the Christian Zionist NeoCons, Wahabbits, Vatican, all royalty, B.I.S., Europe, Russia, China, and all internationalists/globalists. This centralized power in Zionism stuff is a very real problem - and we're seeing their plans play out now, across the world, but like in historical orchestrated crisis of epic proportions. Welcome to WW3 and Fifth Generation Warfare.

I like your purpose outline and concur.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism

Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

https://www.thebalance.com/socialism-types-pros-cons-examples-3305592

Socialism is an economic system where everyone in society equally owns the factors of production.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/020915/what-are-differences-between-capitalism-and-socialism.asp

KEY TAKEAWAYS Capitalism is a market-driven economy. The state does not intervene in the economy, leaving it up to market forces to shape society and life. Socialism is characterized by state ownership of businesses and services. Central planning is used to attempt to make society more equitable. Most countries are mixed economies, falling in between the extremes of capitalism and socialism.

There pages have nice tables or infographics:

https://www.thebalancesmb.com/the-characteristics-of-capitalism-and-socialism-393509

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/glossary/capitalism-v-socialism/

What you're calling Communism is actually Socialism. What is Communism? It's the end of private property, period. Everything is held communally.

Communism is this:

https://www.history.com/news/socialism-communism-differences

Both socialism and communism are essentially economic philosophies advocating public rather than private ownership, especially of the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods (i.e., making money) in a society. Both aim to fix the problems they see as created by a free-market capitalist system, including the exploitation of workers and a widening gulf between rich and poor.

Under communism, there is no such thing as private property. All property is communally owned, and each person receives a portion based on what they need. A strong central government—the state—controls all aspects of economic production, and provides citizens with their basic necessities, including food, housing, medical care and education.

By contrast, under socialism, individuals can still own property. But industrial production, or the chief means of generating wealth, is communally owned and managed by a democratically elected government.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/socialism-vs-communism/

Communism, on the other hand, is a branch of socialism. It’s similar in that it’s still founded on the idea of collective cooperation, but differs in that communists believe that cooperation should be run by a totalitarian government made up of one and only one government.

(amusingly, the last site claims "the USSR gave Communism a bad name..." lol)

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/communism-vs-socialism-simple-terms/

What is communism? Communism is a social and economic organizing system in which property is communally owned and every person receives wealth according to their needs and ability.

What is socialism? Socialism is an economic theory in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned and controlled by society as a whole.

https://libcom.org/forums/theory/there-any-private-property-under-socialismcommunism-22022012

In communism, the end of relations based on force, on violence and the universal antagonism of each against all … will presuppose the end of ownership rights over people and things. The abolition of private property means putting an end to their foundations: the domination of the “other” (man or nature); appropriation, which only perceives the other in relation to utility; and the generalized degradation of the relations between men and also between the latter and nature. One will no longer be able to “use and abuse” something, whatever it is, just because one owns it. Nothing will belong to anybody anymore.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Capitalism is a market-driven economy. The state does not intervene in the economy...

Bye, bye America. Cronyist corporatism fuels the American dream. Classical economics using silver certificates from an indepedent treasury is what freedom, liberty and privacy call for.