/s/AltRight_Memes has banned me, without explanation. Read on..

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[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I want it to be lessened as well, but how? I guess I can become more hard-nosed about applying the pyramid of debate, but that's just going to result in many bans and a lot of angry users saying they were banned unjustly... the shit-slinging is a form of attack against saidit, and I recognize it as such, but the attack works because it's hard to differentiate destructive shit-slinging from a normal user having a bad day.

If you were me, what would you do to resolve the negativity and shit-slinging? I'm open to hearing new tactics and ideas.

Part of me just thinks that maybe it's impossible not to have when we're trying to have the full spectrum of ideas here, there will be disagreements. And that's fine. But it's just a decorum issue, and I don't know how to force people to have good decorum.

I'm kind of thinking of maybe someday starting a second saidit-like website alongside saidit, but with very strict decorum rules. Like floor-of-the-senate levels of decorum. Similar to hackernews. Would there be interest in this? Then we can have the best of both worlds

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Hey! Sorry to interject here in between conversations. But I was browsing around looking for meaning... or something. Surfing basically. And having played different roles around saidit, as a general gun-slinger, productive participant and an overall nuisance with numerous account deletions.

I've gathered a bit of understanding from the issues here in maintaining etiquette, and wanted to throw out a quick tip if it could be of any benefit.

Your best bet might be to start from the ground-up in working with these problems, probably in the form of Education and re-enforcement with behavior and maybe some structural changes for self-referencing options. But of-course, it will take time to develop that protocol in a way that works.

Rather than getting ban heavy from the top down; which this place with mods and admins are not (thankfully!).

The challenges that you face are somewhere along these lines:

Factions that post extremist content, diverse audiences liable to get triggered upon extremist content, hence the muck-racking and people lapsing judgement due to a poor referencing for proper behavior.

A decent way to fill the gap might be with an education protocol that is both intensive or intuitive. Referenced quickly and repetitively in/on the site itself. In the form of like a (ewww I can't believe I'm about to say this:) Nanny or something as a voice of conscience built in. Because people go blank and will often lose themselves in the virtual over issues and half of your users are probably teenagers. You've seen it already.

How about an educational video that you have to watch pertaining to the pyramid of debate before receiving an account? Or include a creative test for it?

Or Having real examples of valid and invalid content that are encouraged/discouraged.

General tips of staying cool when in disagreement.

Some changes to the back-ground design template with a visible pyramid of debate? Encouraging objectivity and civility.

All that being said however, there still needs to be place for some humor- especially creative humor!

Like Why is Donald trump trying to build a wall to keep the Mexicans out when Newer Mexicans will be born inside it everyday, anyway! Hugh?

So overall, the site should seek to balance out extremes in posting, and in commenting through encouraged quick references on the site itself to maintain that order. Without compromises on liberty because abundance of self-resources is the key to freedom! Not the constraint of resources with defeated thinking.

And there needs to be more room for creative humor!

Like where did the one-legged waitress who self-identified as an attack helicopter, finally get employment after months of looking for a job to sustain her two children- Apache and Raptor, after kicking her drug habit?

Ihop.

Welp, I tried round here.. I ain't tellin' ya what to do but keep your ground level so everyone can be on your platform. Good luck! And see you on a different account perhaps.

Edit: Also, if none of that stuff works... fuck it, go hitler-stalin (Hitlin? Staler?) and ban everything or w/e. Pinging /u/d3rr in case he cares (Prolly not :P)

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the thoughtful ideas! I think unfortunately the problem is not lack of awareness. Many people who act like that will do it even if they're perfectly aware they're doing it. Some (maybe even most) people do it with the intent of irritating others and upsetting the system. Most of the people we have problems with are like this, so programs that encourage awareness probably won't actually diminish the problem, and in fact might encourage more fighting as users will attempt to police each other's behavior more. So it's not a bad idea, but I think in a practice a different approach is needed.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hmm.. I've assumed hostilities to be more knee-jerk than pre-meditated. But it could be an underestimation.

And from what I can assess, you eventually need better practices from users but I'll leave it to you to figure it out then. Good luck!

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Hmm.. I've assumed hostilities to be more knee-jerk than pre-meditated. But it could be an underestimation.

I had this same underestimation when I first came in to being a saidit admin.

However an additional consideration is that even if it is knee-jerk, sometimes making them aware of it still doesn't help, because they're angry in that very moment. This is an instance where I think like a 72 hour ban might be a good thing to have. We don't have the functionality of timer bans, but that is something we could potentially build someday.