/s/AltRight_Memes has banned me, without explanation. Read on..

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I know, it's honestly a tough scenario.. I feel like if there isn't some form of password protection or secrecy, this is bound to happen on any discussion-based website that gains traction over time on the internet now. At first you mold the website, then the community it attracts molds it into what they want.

If I were in your shoes, to be honest, I'd probably ban users who purposefully create conflict after a warning (which is why I'm not the owner of a website like this lol). But if you go on a banning tirade, you'd risk your reputation and your website's reputation. Building a second website alongside SaidIt could work, but would there be people who want to switch over? Use both? Would it be worth all the effort?

In vein of that last idea you had, would it be possible to create something like Reddit's "Lounge"? Possibly a set of SubSaidIt's, protected under a "secret section" of the website that is only visible to certain accounts who have applied for/been given invites/access to it, or obtained a certain amount of karma (possibly a karma threshold for access to keep trolls/spammers out)? It could include maybe 5-10 SubSaidIt's modded by you and d3rr (the quality of users would be high, so drama would be low), the SubSaidIt's could be re-makes of the most popular SubSaidIt's on SaidIt's main-site (with the attractive point being, you get all of the same and potentially better content, minus the negativity and attacks), and included maybe a miscellaneous post section for discussing/sharing whatever? It's really the only thing I could think of, outside of your partner-website (which still, I'd be interested in).

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I'd probably ban users who purposefully create conflict after a warning

Not a bad idea, but how do you define that exactly? What if two users are simply disagreeing over a political point? That's obviously not ban-worthy, but could be viewed as "creating conflict". You know what I mean? Is there a less subjective way to define what creating conflict means exactly? This is basically the intent of the pyramid of debate, to give us an objective metric to judge situations by. Maybe it's possible to create a "levels of causing conflict" which would be similar. Some types of causing conflict are more deliberate and harmful than others, and if there were some way of objectively evaluating that with a metric, then maybe this is a solvable problem.

Building a second website alongside SaidIt could work, but would people want to switch over? Would it be worth all the effort?

Well the beautiful thing is that it wouldn't be much extra effort at all. We already have all the machinery and know-how to make a second saidit in like 2 hours... no joke. And being admin for 2 sites is not that much different from being admin of 1 big site... Maybe I should do it. Some people might use both sites, who knows. Saidit wasn't much at first either, but now 2 years later...

In vain of that last idea you had, would it be possible to create something like Reddit's "Lounge"? Possibly a set of SubSaidIt's, protected under a "secret section" of the website that is only visible to certain accounts who have applied for/been given invites to it, or obtained a certain amount of karma (possibly a karma threshold for access to keep trolls/spammers out)?

Yeah that's not a bad idea, but honestly it might be easiest to have that on another website entirely rather than just one sub on this site. I'd rather it not be a "fringe" thing if possible, hidden in a private sub somewhere, I'd like it to be valued community that is front and center in its own domain.

Unfortunately karma screening is not a great way to keep out trolls, many will slow-play accounts to get past karma thresholds, and then start trolling. Maybe the new partner website could be invite-only at first, for people who have proven they post quality things on saidit?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We already have all the machinery and know-how to make a second saidit in like 2 hours... no joke.

In that case, I say go for it if you feel up to it! Like I said, I'd be interested, and if it doesn't take up too much time, it isn't really like you have much to lose.. I also get what you mean about wanting a valued, respected community over a fringe one.

Maybe the new partner website could be invite-only at first, for people who have proven they post quality things on saidit?

I like this idea a lot, it is a better idea than mine and I think if everything were to work out properly, be more rewarding.

As for conflict, this, I consider conflict: https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/24sa/netflix_recommendations_please/

I asked for any good recommendations in s/whatever for a movie or TV show, and that's the response I got. I will admit I made a 4th rude comment in return, but it was petty so I removed it along with the thread. But if you're opting to make an extension of SaidIt, or a partner site to it that takes conversation more seriously and isn't as negative, I'm all for it.

I don't see any reason a person should be attacked for asking for media recommendations in an off-topic/whatever SubSaidIt.

What if two users are simply disagreeing over a political point?

Two users disagreeing and debating or having a discussion, is not creating conflict - that's communication, even if there's a disagreement, you don't have to resort to attacks as they never get your point across anyway, they're just petty. I'm all for healthy conversations, debates and disagreements. But random attacks, or attacking someone because you don't agree with them? You're better off moving on/ignoring them.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah I know what you mean. Maybe we'll give the new website a try someday soon. I need a good name, and a domain that's available for less than $20/yr though... let me know if you have any ideas.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just discovered http://www.moot.com/ links to a YouTube video, so I guess that's taken, but there are lots of alternative domains.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=moot