/s/AltRight_Memes has banned me, without explanation. Read on..

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[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

you set up a straw man then ranted about your goat fucking proclivities.

drama queen

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

And I won. Check mate.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

Don't be like this.

Remember when we had that big argument that almost ended in you getting banned several months ago? I haven't forgotten... you're still on thin ice and I don't like to see you stirring drama like you are. You still have 2 strikes from before.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I was/am in the right.

But you are correct, it doesn't behoove me to gloat or respond to idiocy, so I will stop responding to most of them. For the record, I didn't intend to stir drama. I commented, and they reciprocated, and before you know it there's a cyclical whirlwind of tit for tats. (Meanwhile no one gets censored for name calling. Meh.)

2 strikes? Where is the second one from? And I still think the summer threat was very unfair. I'm far from the only one who thinks so. I'm willing to have a public review and discord about it all, now that it's been unblocked, but I don't think either of us really wants that. I guess my hopes of a long anticipated apology just evaporated.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I didn't intend to stir drama

Then why did you make this big dramatic public post, instead of simply contacting the admins when you were banned?

If only your actions lined up with your intent.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I simply hadn't considered just contacting you alone. It's that simple.

I'm still unjustly banned from /s/Incels after mentioning it MANY times, to no avail. Further, you're simply not approachable. I've asked you many things and been ignored or been unsatisfactorily responded to. I'm totally okay with that, as I know you have a tremendous amount on your plate with mammoth responsibilities and better things to do. But it's not all about you or me, and that's also why I opened it up for community discussion and awareness. Sure, yours is the ultimate opinion on this site, but others have valuable insights too, and where you might be absent (and I can't read minds), maybe others might be able to weigh in and fill me in on things I may not have considered, especially when occasionally playing around and pushing a few buttons in a seemingly unbridled sea of name calling and shit posting (which you'll have a hard time finding from me).

Getting constructive criticism rarely comes without the excessive drama, something you'd think I'd have learned by now. That's why my intentions and actions aren't perfectly aligned on target.

If I'm banned from anywhere else I'd like to know about it, not because I plan to post there, but for the principle of freedom against unjust bans. Maybe I might even deserve it on a sub one day, and I can handle that, if I were to break their stated rules.

It's this principle that made me think it was worth posting and sharing. And you even came up with an interesting new policy (potentially) that IMO might help SaidIt tremendously. That didn't come from nowhere.

As far as all this attention goes, it was not my goal for it to explode. I expected this to be ignored as much as the dozens of far more important or entertaining things I've posted with more effort put into them. Had they been noticed, perhaps I wouldn't have employed all the click-baitery (ie. the squirrel).

I am guilty of this: I am naive and foolish to not realize by now that people, including SaidIt, will glom on to the most salacious and controversial tidbit and steer it into the side of a mountain of crap to mud-wrestle until distracted by the next feeding frenzy.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

will glom on to the most salacious and controversial tidbit and steer it into the side of a mountain of crap to mud-wrestle until distracted by the next feeding frenzy.

Yeah you're the one doing this the most out of anyone on this entire website, hence the strikes. This is the entire reason we have the pyramid of debate.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What do you propose I do?

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Though you didn't ask me, may I suggest you take responsibility for your part in all these blow-ups? By responsibility I do not mean "blame"--I mean take a look at the way you are going into peoples' houses and telling them how much you don't like their house or the way they keep it.

Free speech means you are not persecuted for your views; it doesn't mean saying what you want whenever you want with no regard for the circumstance. When you start shaking the wasp's nest, expect to get stung.

It might be a good idea to simply lick your wounds and go play in the sunnier spots of this bright atmosphere.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly appreciate the feedback. I've asked and you're the first to bother.

I won't deny that I posted this thing the other day, or that I happened to be one of the first to comment on the other one today. I feel strongly about the ideas, as I do about many things. I had no idea they would blow up, as most stuff simply goes ignored. Maybe that's a blind spot for me, determining what will be hot or not. If I had known a better way of presenting my ideas I would have applied that. I don't regret anything I said as it was all honest and authentic except for one inaccurate statement which has now been corrected.

I wasn't thinking of the subs as houses. I was thinking of SaidIt as a community and /s/All is the heart of our community. Not everything I've been sharing is critical, but some obviously is, and those weren't entered upon lightly. I'm also not one to graffiti a shitpost and split because I'm there to discuss why I'm making the effort.

Maybe I'm just a fool trying to stop Niagara Falls. Maybe I'm trying to do something where the admins won't. Maybe they have unexpressed reasons why they won't. Maybe SaidIt is for preaching activism and not being active. I think it's better than that.

Or maybe you mean that SaidIt is the house that I should dare not criticize, constructively or otherwise? If that is the case, I'd sure like to know it. I aim to be helpful. I try to communicate clearly. I suspect I fail far more than I can know, due to the curse of keyboards without facial expressions. I can't read minds, so I just don't know and won't know unless I get feedback.

I'm not afraid to get stung should I get entangled, but if the wasp is sentient, I expect legit explanations, especially if I was trying to help the nest, was civil about it, and no one was unjustly harmed in the process.

As always, I like your optimism. Sadly, I honestly don't feel free to play and haven't since the summer. I was hoping I could get past that. Turns out I was not the only one with unresolved issues, mysterious as they are.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Stop creating drama? Stop antagonizing other people? Stop posting gross non-sequiturs? Follow the pyramid of debate?

Those would be great starting points.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It would be nice if the pyramid of debate applied universally. Every "downward" response I gave wasn't invented from nowhere.

Looking back it's extremely easy to say, "Oh, I should have stopped there and been the bigger person," to the many who felt they needed to pile on.

In the moment I'm just replying in kind, sometimes in defense, occasionally to challenge their stances, and often to try to help them rethink things if they're capable. I wasn't thinking about accumulating drama - which is never done alone. But I can make an effort to consider the grander scheme.

I didn't start antagonizing people. The opposite. I don't know what you mean by gross non-sequiturs.

As far as "creating drama", that's a broad concept. I was unbanned. Many folks learned more about the mod rules and other SaidIt norms. And a new policy is under consideration. Some good things have happened here. Drama happens. It's seeded, and sometimes nurtured, but not really created. I certainly don't do this every day, every week, or every month, so it's hardly a habit much less strategy. If I could predict it I could certainly try to stop it.

I do abide the pyramid. And I'll try to keep your points in mind.