A readable version of the Bible without all the "thee"s and "thou"s cluttering everything up. Interesting to see the wealth of cultural icons here, not just Adam and Eve, but east of Eden, the mark of Cain, be fruitful and multiply, and so on.

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[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Some of Paul's letters are from the 50s AD, only about 20 years afterward. The only reason they say everything else is after 70 is because of the part about the temple falling down. But in all fairness that comes from bias against the possibility of a fulfilled prophecy, because they don't like the idea of Jesus being real (but even if you don't believe in it, something like that could easily have been a coincidence, especially when it was already only a matter of time. Or even if a coincidence was implausible, it could be an interpolation).

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no they were from much later

tho it's possible the dead sea scrolls are from paul and james. Lot of controversy with them

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The Dead Sea Scrolls cannot be from Paul and James, they're all Old Testament and writings and rules for some non-Christian community (there are no references to Jesus or anything from the New Testament). The Dead Sea Scrolls also date as far back as a few centuries BC.

Paul's letters are from roughly 48-62 AD. And all of the gospels except John are probably from the first century.

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no the dead sea scrolls are from the early christian community, main reason it has been censored

nag hammadi library too

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The Nag Hammadi Library yes, but the Dead Sea Scrolls bear no markings of Christianity. And they're also mostly in Hebrew, so if they are Christian that kind of goes against your claim that Christianity was always all Greek.

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have you read the entire dead sea scrolls?

Trick question, you can't, it's controlled by Israel. But some who read it such as Eisenman have said it's from the early christians.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's controlled by private collectors as much as it is Israel. The scrolls that are supposedly from the New Testament were tiny fragments of a few words that just happen to line up with something in the New Testament, but turned out to be from the Greek Old Testament.

What would Israel have to hide anyway? They don't believe in Christianity. I'd be much more concerned if a Christian party controlled it, because they could have theological agendas.

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They don't want it getting out because it contradicts a lot of what mainstream christianity says. Israel has christian allies mainly from USA, they don't want to risk that being reduced. I'd agree christian authorities controlling it would censor it too.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting. What about mainstream Christianity does it contradict? Because I have some suspicions myself.

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Hard to say with proof without the public having free access, they let some of the dead sea scrolls out but not all. Maybe Eisenman is wrong but he did get to read them and then was ostracized by academics and historians for wejhat he said.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Eisenman#Dead_Sea_Scrolls