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[–]Satircato 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (45 children)

All these LGBTBBQ people are the real fascists - trying to curb wrong think and whatever challenges their dumb outlook on life.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (44 children)

If you ain't willing to hear someone else out, then don't expect them to hear you out.

Queerfolks would benefit from free speech. It's much easier to convince someone of your belief through a fair dialogue than yelling at them. Furthermore, it was not too long ago when LGBT where the ones being censored. Now the LGBT 'community' is attacking the very free speech which has for so long benefited LGBT people; this is a reason why their 'community' left me.

I've experienced more prejudice, as a transwoman, from the LGBT 'community' on account of my stances on abortion and gun rights, than I ever have from right-wingers on account of my identity.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

As is often discovered by those who realise the left is no longer their political home. It's changed so much in the past ten years it's almost unrecognisable.

Most conservatives really just want to not be bothered by other people's crap, financially or socially, and to be left to get on with theirs.

About the only really touchy subject is abortion, because an embryo is another person to most of them.

[–]whistlepig 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The republican party also changed a lot in the last 10 years. Before, they use to be the party known for being against social issues like gay marriage and were trying to involve religion into politics more. That appears to have changed a great deal since Ron Paul started speaking out back in 2008. There are still a lot of neocons in the party but right now they're forced to pay lip service to libertarian ideals since their voters have changed.

I didn't see it at first. But then I had a conversation with a marxist on reddit that insisted I was republican because I was pro free speech. That shocked me. I've spent the entirety of my previous life with the so-called liberal party being considered the free speech party and the conservative party who pushed for tv and movie censorship was considered to be against. But as you say, the times have changed and the lines have been redrawn.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I had a similar realization to you. In 2020 it's considered "far-right" to support the 2nd amendment (especially a broad interpretation, like I do) and "right-wing" to want to ban abortion in most case. There's a big issue on the right as well: a lot of Republicans think protectionism is "left-wing" or that public banks are "communist."

The problem is both polarization and consolidation. The two parties have adopted increasingly extreme policies, while working together behind the scenes to undermine the American People. It alienates a lot of Populists and Centrists, like myself, and makes us resort to third parties — which is only a bad thing in our broken, two-party system.

A lot of people say the party switch happened in the 60s, but if you look at the state level (which, to self-promote, I made a map to visualize), you see that it actually happened in the 1990s and 2000s.

I remember when I was kid that Arkansas was a deep blue state, and now that I'm an adult it's deep red. We had a Democratic trifecta from 2008-2012, then almost immediately all the Democrats where voted out and it became a Republican trifecta — this was when the DP began doubling down on their identity politics and support of Wall Street.

[–]GConly 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I was republican because I was pro free speech. That shocked me.

Tragically the case.

I remember back in the seventies when the ones wanting to censor TV and school books etc were all pearl clutching old, religious, conservatives.

Now it's a bunch of snotty Marxists, and the Marxists are violent. The worst the old pearl clutchers would do is shout in church.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I remember when I was kid that Arkansas was a deep blue state, and now that I'm an adult it's deep red. We had a Democratic trifecta from 2008-2012, then almost immediately all the Democrats where voted out and it became a Republican trifecta — this was when the DP began doubling down on their identity politics and support of Wall Street.

I believe Conservatism is less about being left alone — that's Libertarianism — but rather about the preservation of our culture and way of life. A small federal government has always been a staple of American culture, but a lot of Conservatives support policies like protectionism and a strong national defense.

Furthermore, you have State's Rights Conservatives who believe the federal government should keep its hands off of most issues, but that the states should take some action.

The key difference between Liberalism and Conservatism, is how the government is used. The former seeks the utilize the government to enforce a moral code upon the plebs (political correctness), while the latter seeks only to do what is necessary for the preservation of the Nation (being the People).

The reason the former is associated with a large government, and the latter with a smaller one, is the very nature of theses ideologies: Liberalism's main goal is control, while Conservatism's main goal is protection. You don't have to control every aspect of someone's life to protect them, but you do if you want them to think a certain way.

A note: the Republican Party isn't a real Conservative party. They're more of a right-wing Liberal party pretending to care about Conservative issues.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Liberalism's main goal is control, while Conservatism's main goal is protection.

Succinctly put. I'd have gone with socialist not liberal though. I'm an old school liberal and those people are NOT liberal.

Once you show a conservative society isn't going to disintegrate by giving a minority equal treatment they'll normally back off the placard waving and accept the change.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Neo-Liberalism is what I should've said. I don't like any form of Liberalism, but I shouldn't be lumping traditional liberals in with these Marxists. I could be friends with a traditional Liberal, but not a Neo-Liberal — because the latter seek to involve their political beliefs with every aspect of life, and enforce strict guidelines upon their tribe.

I don't think Socialism is appropriate, because it's more narrow than Neo-Liberalism: it requires the government to play a major role in the running of the economy. There are plenty of people who don't support left-wing economics, but support left-wing social policy, and these are the people best labelled as Neo-Liberals.

A big reason Conservatives are afraid of queerfolks, is because most of them are anti-culture: most of them scream at people for being white, call everything racist, want to abolish the police, legalize drugs, etc. They also want special privileges masquerading as equal rights.

I'm the opposite of that — I guess you could call me politically incorrect — which is why Conservatives find me much more tolerable than an SJW, and I could be considered a Conservative of sorts. I also adhere to most American (especially Southern) cultural norms; I'm quite the Nationalist.

A big rule everyone should follow is the Golden Rule, Matthew 7:12

So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

This applies to everyone: straight, gay, cis, trans, religious, non-religious, etc. Even if you disagree with someone, you should treat them the same as you'd want them to treat you — even if they don't obey this rule theirself.

A lot of people on both sides ain't following this rule, and that's a major reason why we're so polarized and can't get no change.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

Queer is a slur. Stop using it unless you want to use it to describe yourself.

[–]bobbobbybob 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

fuck off. Free speech is free speech and you are in the wrong fucking place if you want to police other people's speech, you unrelenting faggot.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

And the homophobic side of you appears. Nice

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

the NPC meme is so sadly accurate.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Voats calling your name bigot.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

wants to be a speech policeman, can't into grammar.

'bigot' is just the leftist version of 'faggot''.

[–]Anon40percent 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

What happens at a rate of 41%?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

If you actually read my comment you would have realized that I'm a queer.

"Queer" is a much better identifier, since it's more broad than LGBT, which is just an acronym. Furthermore, the repurposing of slurs is a common practice within minority groups — which you would know if you actually cared about minorities, which you don't. Liberals simply care about power and control.

Please, just try reading other people's comments before replying with ignorant garbage like this? Your toxic wokeness makes me sick — it's one of the reasons your 'community' left me. Liberals like you just want to control us — yall just want to take away our rights under the guise of equality!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I read what you write and it still doesnt change the fact that it is still commonly used as a slur and you shouldnt be using it unless directed at yourself or people who have given you explicit permission.

What do you mean when you say you are queer? Do you mean homosexual?

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

you didn't read TAM's comment. He's as queer as they come, and can use any language he fucking likes.

Fuck, I hate language control freaks like you. Fuck off

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

He doesnt get to call everyone a queer if they don't like it.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

yes, he does, and you are impotent to do anything about it other than bitch like the little cuck you are.

[–]C3P0 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Isn't the n-word commonly used as a slur? Are black people not allowed to say it anymore because it hurts your feelings?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Absolute non sequiter. If a black person doesnt want to be called the n word even by other blacks that's their right is it not? It has absolute nothing to do with me and my feelings because im not black and that word doesnt carry any weight with me. However the words queer and faggot have been used against me and telling someone not to call the entire homosexual community queer is fair. Like I said before, if they want to use those words for themselves then that's fine. They shouldnt go around assuming that everyone is ok with it though.

[–]C3P0 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Absolute non sequiter.

The queer word and the n-word are both relevant to freedom of speech. Don't be oblique.

If a black person doesnt want to be called the n word even by other blacks that's their right is it not?

The US constitution does not guarantee such right. Black people call black strangers the n-word every day. If you are not from the US, what country are you from where calling someone the n-word is a crime? Probably a fictitious country or an alien planet but surprise me.

My experience in the US is that faggot is a word of contention while queer or gay are usually not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you want to be dense that's up to you.

[–]C3P0 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I half think you are a bot trying to pass the Turing test, but why don't you answer the question I posed? I rephrased it below.

In what country do citizens have the right not to be called the n-word?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Queer = not straight and cis

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If thats your definition of it then it doesn't apply at all to call all homosexuals queer now does it?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Homosexuals aren't straight.

[–]jackjumpover 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Queer is a slur. Stop using it.

it is my observation that homosexuals cant seem to decide what is acceptable to them and what is not acceptable to them. For example, one time i made a comment to gay person where i commented something about his "lifestyle", and he about came unscrewed telling me that being gay is not a lifestyle and that being gay is something that you are born with..

ok, i said to him, but why dont you take that debate up with out magazine first, i suggested.

http://out.com/lifestyle

and then, regarding your claim that the term "queer" is a slur, i slightly disagree and i am fairly well versed in these topics since i have grown up around quite a few queer men, and they regularly call each other "queer"..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_Nation

this thing where you say that "queer" is a slur reminds me a bit of how black people dont like to be called the "N" word, but for real for real black folks use the word frequently..

video: youngboy - i aint hiding - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiatfSQ0xwg

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Nothing you said changes the fact that unless you are using it to describe yourself or have explicit permission to by someone to use it in regards to them, you shouldnt be using the term.

[–]jackjumpover 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

sure thing, faggot, gotcha.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Do you know how that word came into usage for homosexuals? It's because faggot is a bundle of sticks. Bundles of sticks were used to burn homosexuals at the stake.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

wikipedia says you are not only a faggot, but you are a retarded one too, who doesn't even bother to research the nonsense you repeat like a parrot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That's a retarded myth.

The word faggot has been used in English since the late 16th century as an abusive term for women, particularly old women,[7] and reference to homosexuality may derive from this,[6][8] as female terms are often used with reference to homosexual or effeminate men (cf. nancy, sissy, queen). The application of the term to old women is possibly a shortening of the term "faggot-gatherer", applied in the 19th century to people, especially older widows, who made a meager living by gathering and selling firewood.[8]

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a myth.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Queerfolks would benefit from free speech

They literally have benefited from free speech.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Which is what I said. Read the rest of the paragraph.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wasn't disagreeing with you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's the point in repeating what I said, then?