" There have been nearly 3000 Gods so far but only yours actually exists. The others are silly made up nonsense. But not yours. Yours is real. " ~ Ricky Gervais

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[–]iamonlyoneman 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yes actually. Show me a miracle witnessed by a million people, performed by another. Loser.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Show me a miracle witnessed by a million people, performed by another.

It was a miracle: Biden won the 2020 election.

Loser.

You are absolutely correct. By your pure demonstrable wisdom in a compelling case of name-calling I've been humbly shamed into obedience to a higher authority and now repent and accept my Lord and Savior Jesus H Christ into my life. I once was lost but now am saved.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Not all made up. The demons all around us pretend to be gods.

On the other hand the credibility of Christianity mainly requires an answer to one question: did this historical person, Jesus, really rise from the dead? The answer you should investigate with an open mind rather than assuming an answer based on prior biases. There is no reason the Creator cannot do this. The devil is not God so all he could do is magic tricks and deceptions, being an angel and not the source of life.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

There is no reason the Creator cannot do this.

There is no reason to believe we have or needed a creator.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What makes you think this universal is eternal?

Like I said before you should research the resurrection without being biased by what you already believe. Just because you believe something doesn’t mean reality has to agree with you. Too many people start with a prior belief that miracles are impossible and don’t investigate further.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

What makes you think this universal is eternal?

I didn't say that.

Like I said before you should research the resurrection without being biased by what you already believe.

What research sources must be trusted to validate your research. I don't trust any religious sources because it simply defies logic.

Just because you believe something doesn’t mean reality has to agree with you.

Exactly. Additionally, adding religious nonsense on top of reality defies logic.

Too many people start with a prior belief that miracles are impossible and don’t investigate further.

IFIFY:
Too many people start with a belief that miracles are possible and don’t apply logic.

Further, people use the word "miracle" in ambiguous bullshit ways. "Every baby born is a miracle." No they are NOT. They are common place, as the population of billions can attest. By definition miracles have to be rare and defy explanation. Without a time machine we cannot verify to know for certain anything from history and/or myth.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If the universe is not eternal, it has a cause that is. That cause is living and made the universe intelligible, making science possible.

So you're saying sources that agree that God exists are not worth listening to because they have that bias? Religion is beyond logic, but not contrary to logic.

The point is you should look at reality independently of your prior bias or upbringing. Otherwise you will be trapped in an echo chamber.

It seems unlikely that miracles don't happen. For example secular journalists coming to mock a miracle end up claiming the miracle of the sun at Fatima really happened, and my understanding of human nature compels me to believe that they really saw something.

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10338a.htm

Most people do not understand critical thinking and end up making category errors but that doesn't mean religion itself is wrong.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Again: I never said the Universe was eternal.

I'm saying ALL sources are biased.
And I'm saying ALL religion is retarded at the fundamental base core.
Adding all the layers of brainwashing cult nonsense just builds up walls over shitty foundations.

Religion is beyond logic, but not contrary to logic.

False.
/s/Illusions

The point is you should look at reality independently of your prior bias or upbringing. Otherwise you will be trapped in an echo chamber.

Agreed. You don't know my life, so I'll fill you in. I have countless books on Existentialism, Zen Buddhism, Confucius, The I Ching, Bhagavad-Gita, Krishnamurti, Sikhism, Shamanism, philosophy, consciousness, drugs, etc etc etc.

It seems unlikely that miracles don't happen.

Ridiculous.
Just because you can't explain it doesn't make it a miracle.
Don't add bullshit to have a bullshit answer.
It's better admit you simply don't know.

You're not living up to your name.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If the universe is not eternal a Creator would be a necessary cause. You say that a Creator is unnecessary. So it means that you logically imply that the universe is eternal. If it is eternal, what evidence compels you to believe the universe might be eternal?

You’re basically saying that you disagree with their position so you disregard all their alleged evidence…. Am I mischaracterizing your position? Everyone is biased, so what a critical thinker does is read all sides of the issue and weighs the evidence.

Reading a lot of books doesn’t mean you can’t be wrong. Perhaps you should add a book on logic or critical thinking?

But not being to explain it makes it likely a miracle, when combined with other evidence like the healings at Lourdes or the house of Loreto. You assumption is that miracles are impossible, and I gave you evidence of alleged miracles that you can’t explain away, so maybe you should revise your position to miracles might be possible to be consistent with the evidence.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If the universe is not eternal a Creator would be a necessary cause.

That's a giant bullshit leap of logic there.

I never said it was eternal.
You're making shit up. Again. I don't think you're sincere - or your overwhelming biases make you a shitty debater.

Am I mischaracterizing your position?

Yes.

You are sealioning.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is not a leap of logic. Unless something is eternal, something else caused it to begin.

If you did not mean it's eternal than we would have to accept you are talking in incoherent self-contradictions. Is that is an assumption you prefer?

Please explain your position then so I don't characterize you wrongly.

I have to understand your position. This is debating 101, so if you sincerely want to debate explain your position. Otherwise you must accept you don't want to debate.