Most majority of people shouldn't be having kids.

UncleWillard56 · 2024-03-29T15:31:35+00:00

I agree for the most part, but for the population. Gen Z is the smallest generation yet. You've got places like Japan who are running out of people and no new ones coming down the pike.

Having said that, I think there should be parental licensure. As a wise man once said, “you need a license to buy a dog, or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish! But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.” Too true. So many people (I was one of those) are not in a position to have children, but do. Whether it's finances, maturity, relationship status - they're just not ready. It can work out, as in my case (well, she walked and I raised 3 kids on my own, which turned out to be the best thing to happen to me), but why not have some standards at the start just to try and cut down on kids being raised by kids and dipshits?

Jiminy · 2024-03-29T13:38:10+00:00

Underpopulated and people having less kids. Your false narrative is used to justify illegal immigration.

anwarulhaqkakar · 2023-12-11T09:16:29+00:00

Anwar ul Haq Kakar Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan

SMCAB · 2023-10-24T13:25:05+00:00

No shit? Maybe it's because they are being held back at every turn by autistic adults.

BonesReds · 2020-08-14T15:14:51+00:00

Hey, I know this is a major necro and I'm not sure if this sub is even still going, but I'm kind of hoping we get some more people here. I just joined SaidIt due to some of my favorite Reddit subs getting banned in the wave.

However, I miss the old discussions and philosophical debates that r/Antinatalism had when it was only a few thousand members. It almost feels like a meme sub now with just a few insightful posts in between. It'd be interesting to have a "true antinatalism" sub here at some point.

Sorry if I'm just posting into the void, but I thought I'd share.

Unbalanced_Life · 2020-07-16T04:11:51+00:00

This one was nice to see. Too bad the reasoning behind it all won't be of an antinatalist nature. Oh well, can't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Unbalanced_Life · 2020-07-03T03:24:37+00:00

Time to breathe some life into this place; and although I don't expect many views or responses, it's good if this place gets established a little.

For starters, I found this interesting article, which I'll hope to further upload for those who do not have the privilege of a subscription.

nomorepeopleplz · 2019-08-23T00:40:19+00:00

This guy is not an antinatalist. If he were one he would realize that the damage was already done when the kid was born....

Antinatalists are not murderers. A life can be worth continuing even if it was never meant to begin.

I know this was posted for comedy but it gives AN a bad rep.

Zettelkittel · 2019-05-11T13:10:25+00:00

When they tell me to "donate for charity", they always show me black babies. When they tell me to "have no baby to reduce suffering", they show me white babies.

magnora7 · 2019-03-24T17:22:56+00:00

"It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all"

There's a lot of good arguments against having a kid, and the OP is not one of them, imo. That's an argument out of fear.

Actuallyhitler · 2019-03-23T19:52:40+00:00

Fuck the future generation! Let’s end all life with a bang

JasonCarswell · 2019-03-22T20:21:34+00:00

On a positive note, depressed people have a more realistic perspective. They studied "normal" people and depressed people playing video games, killing aliens. After the game they ask them how many aliens they killed. "Normal" people will over estimate by a wide margin, "5000" while depressed people will estimate far more accurately, "200" when the real number is 187.

I don't recall the exact numbers but that was a real thing, on BBC or something about 5 years ago, stuck in my memory like a fork.

An alien's fork.

Jesus-Christ · 2019-03-22T18:43:14+00:00

Oh trust me, I have many pages saved in a google document and across multiple forums/subreddits that are as long as you say yours will be. I've just had a lot of time to think about it.

JasonCarswell · 2019-03-22T18:37:36+00:00

Couldn't have said it better myself. If I tried it'd be 20 times longer and not nearly as good.

wizzwizz4 · 2019-02-08T20:28:24+00:00

Oh, I'm pessimistic. But I'd give it half a chance that we pull through and escape this planet.

RavAshi · 2019-01-01T17:53:20+00:00

What? Society dies? Good news for me!

10th commandment of Georgia Guidestones: "Don't be cancer to the earth. Leave room for nature. Leave room for nature."

If society dies, R. C. Christian would be proud of us.

(Next week I would make /s/misanthropy. Hate most of them like cancer. They're "Carcinoma Sapiens".)

Tom_Bombadil · 2018-12-31T19:48:35+00:00

My man. I had typed up a post that is strikingly similar to your response, but I decided to post the 30000 ft view version.

I didn't include the pachinkos, or the real estate.

I had to leave in the chubby factor.

useless_aether · 2018-12-31T19:16:50+00:00

ssshhh :-)

magnora7 · 2018-12-31T19:10:24+00:00

Wait, so are you against people having babies or not? The sub name implies you are, the image and post implies the opposite :p

useless_aether · 2018-12-31T18:14:44+00:00

i think pachinkos, manga, anime, robots, transhumanism, high real estate prices and insane 'work ethic' destroyed the family unit. also all those sick tv shows must be mentally damaging they are famous for

edit also all the radiation and stress from the earthquakes and tsunamis cant be good for the sperm

Tom_Bombadil · 2018-12-31T18:00:13+00:00

It's sounds like Japanese men have forsaken relationships as well (I couldn't think of an entertaining male-loom analogue).

Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?.

The number of single people has reached a record high. A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier. Another study found that a third of people under 30 had never dated at all. (There are no figures for same-sex relationships.) Although there has long been a pragmatic separation of love and sex in Japan – a country mostly free of religious morals – sex fares no better. A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way.

Something. Something. Tiny-chiney-chubby. -That's all I got.

JasonCarswell · 2018-12-31T14:58:31+00:00

So? Are you saying they didn't feel like making whoopie?

useless_aether · 2018-12-31T14:06:02+00:00

tbh, they also lost a lot of fit males in ww2, got nuked twice and their economy and cities were destroyed all at the same time.

RavAshi · 2018-12-23T12:34:48+00:00

Another version that it was said by daemon Silenus:

The daemon Silenus said that to King Midas.

An ancient legend recounts how King Midas hunted long in the forest for the wise Silenus, companion of Dionysos, but failed to catch him.

When Silenus had finally fallen into his clutches, the King asks what is the best and most excellent thing for human beings. Stiff and unmoving, the daemon remains silent until, forced by the King, he finally breaks out in shrill laughter and says: 'Wretched, ephemeral race, children of chance and tribulation, why do you force me to tell you the very thing which it would be most profitable for you not to hear? The very best thing is utterly beyond your reach: not to have been born, not to be, to be nothing. However, the second best thing for you is: to die soon."

Silenus tends to establish itself as the proper name for the older leader of a group of satyrs service of Dionysus, and both Silenus and the satyrs tend to be confused with another, originally quite distinct, forest daemon, Pan, who had human and goat-like attributes.

RavAshi · 2018-12-02T07:49:01+00:00

7.7 billions of people and counting makes me thinking to put myself out of the gene pool.

Automation (job scarcity) and climate chaos would only make me not to have them. What awaits them? Would they eventually eat each other?

Better to regret not having kids than to regret their existence

And I would say optimists are delusional fools. Realists would become pessimists. You need to read Reddit Collapse to red pill.

Mnemonic · 2018-11-26T13:54:21+00:00

I can understand it for population control and the religious use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism#In_religions {There is a reason the coolest religions are quoted there}

But the philosophy says it's morally 'bad' and that is were it becomes a numbers game.

I've listened to this podcast about a year ago, the first time I've come across Anti-natalism in modern times: https://samharris.org/podcasts/107-life-actually-worth-living/ And one of the few times I was 100% on Sam's side. (Funny thing: It's Sam Harris would has written and debates extensively that suffering can be measured and morality should be geared towards reducing it)

I myself am not pro nor anti, it's all really/heavily depended upon the personal context of the people involved. Though overall it's Wisdom to know that nature finds its way, through extinction of sentient life or not.

Tom_Bombadil · 2018-11-26T05:22:18+00:00

I agree. Fortunately, antinatalism isn't a commonly used word, so I had to look up.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but the gist of Antinatalism is:
Suffering is a fundamental part of all aspects of life; therefore preventing/discouraging the creation of human life is contributes to a reduction in net universal suffering.

Does this philosophy apply solely to human life? If so, then this notion sounds like a backdoor version of globalist eugenics/Agenda 21 bullshit, that is masquerading as eastern wisdom.

If it applys to all life, then it is nihilism at it's absolute worst.

Either way, I'm fine with these folks selectively breeding themselves out of the gene pool. Or better yet, they could look around and see that "the struggle" really isn't that bad.

Personally, I suspect that suffering is hyperbole, and the term "struggle" is a far more appropriate description for three concept. People can learn to enjoy/appreciate a seemingly insurmountable struggle. Suffering is by it's very definition universally unpleasant.

I suspect that the teachings of antinatalism are likely analogous to those priests who frightening their parishioners with sermons of Armageddon, and the End of Days. That is, until they notice that he's been planting trees in his garden.
It's all bullshit. ;-)

What do you think?

RavAshi · 2018-11-25T13:24:41+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%CA%BFarri

antinatalism

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