What an Antinatalist Sounds Like After 4 Pints by Stankmango in antinatalism

[–]nomorepeopleplz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This guy is not an antinatalist. If he were one he would realize that the damage was already done when the kid was born....

Antinatalists are not murderers. A life can be worth continuing even if it was never meant to begin.

I know this was posted for comedy but it gives AN a bad rep.

Strategic Considerations for Moral Antinatalists by Stankmango in antinatalism

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When they tell me to "donate for charity", they always show me black babies. When they tell me to "have no baby to reduce suffering", they show me white babies.

An antinatalist quote. by RavAshi in antinatalism

[–]MythOfPrivilege 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Yes goy, it's wrong to have children!"

Meanwhile this guy has 4 children. "Having lots of children is a mitzvah when we do it!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvin_D._Yalom

Happiness. by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all"

There's a lot of good arguments against having a kid, and the OP is not one of them, imo. That's an argument out of fear.

"You had a baby? Congratulations!" by Jesus-Christ in antinatalism

[–]Actuallyhitler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck the future generation! Let’s end all life with a bang

Wish my parents didn't have me, so that I wouldn't exist. by Jesus-Christ in antinatalism

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On a positive note, depressed people have a more realistic perspective. They studied "normal" people and depressed people playing video games, killing aliens. After the game they ask them how many aliens they killed. "Normal" people will over estimate by a wide margin, "5000" while depressed people will estimate far more accurately, "200" when the real number is 187.

I don't recall the exact numbers but that was a real thing, on BBC or something about 5 years ago, stuck in my memory like a fork.

An alien's fork.

Wish my parents didn't have me, so that I wouldn't exist. by Jesus-Christ in antinatalism

[–]Jesus-Christ[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh trust me, I have many pages saved in a google document and across multiple forums/subreddits that are as long as you say yours will be. I've just had a lot of time to think about it.

Wish my parents didn't have me, so that I wouldn't exist. by Jesus-Christ in antinatalism

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Couldn't have said it better myself. If I tried it'd be 20 times longer and not nearly as good.

Antinatalism is just Lazy reading the four noble truths of Buddhism... because it stopped at the first truth and couldn't handle any more thinking. by Mnemonic in antinatalism

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I'm pessimistic. But I'd give it half a chance that we pull through and escape this planet.

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]RavAshi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What? Society dies? Good news for me!

10th commandment of Georgia Guidestones: "Don't be cancer to the earth. Leave room for nature. Leave room for nature."

If society dies, R. C. Christian would be proud of us.

(Next week I would make /s/misanthropy. Hate most of them like cancer. They're "Carcinoma Sapiens".)

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My man. I had typed up a post that is strikingly similar to your response, but I decided to post the 30000 ft view version.

I didn't include the pachinkos, or the real estate.

I had to leave in the chubby factor.

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ssshhh :-)

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wait, so are you against people having babies or not? The sub name implies you are, the image and post implies the opposite :p

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i think pachinkos, manga, anime, robots, transhumanism, high real estate prices and insane 'work ethic' destroyed the family unit. also all those sick tv shows must be mentally damaging they are famous for

edit also all the radiation and stress from the earthquakes and tsunamis cant be good for the sperm

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's sounds like Japanese men have forsaken relationships as well (I couldn't think of an entertaining male-loom analogue).

Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?.

The number of single people has reached a record high. A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier. Another study found that a third of people under 30 had never dated at all. (There are no figures for same-sex relationships.) Although there has long been a pragmatic separation of love and sex in Japan – a country mostly free of religious morals – sex fares no better. A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way.

Something. Something. Tiny-chiney-chubby. -That's all I got.

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So? Are you saying they didn't feel like making whoopie?

When women leave their looms, society dies. by useless_aether in antinatalism

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

tbh, they also lost a lot of fit males in ww2, got nuked twice and their economy and cities were destroyed all at the same time.

Aristotle Was An Antinatalist by RavAshi in antinatalism

[–]RavAshi[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another version that it was said by daemon Silenus:

The daemon Silenus said that to King Midas.

An ancient legend recounts how King Midas hunted long in the forest for the wise Silenus, companion of Dionysos, but failed to catch him.

When Silenus had finally fallen into his clutches, the King asks what is the best and most excellent thing for human beings. Stiff and unmoving, the daemon remains silent until, forced by the King, he finally breaks out in shrill laughter and says: 'Wretched, ephemeral race, children of chance and tribulation, why do you force me to tell you the very thing which it would be most profitable for you not to hear? The very best thing is utterly beyond your reach: not to have been born, not to be, to be nothing. However, the second best thing for you is: to die soon."

Silenus tends to establish itself as the proper name for the older leader of a group of satyrs service of Dionysus, and both Silenus and the satyrs tend to be confused with another, originally quite distinct, forest daemon, Pan, who had human and goat-like attributes.

Antinatalism is just Lazy reading the four noble truths of Buddhism... because it stopped at the first truth and couldn't handle any more thinking. by Mnemonic in antinatalism

[–]RavAshi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

7.7 billions of people and counting makes me thinking to put myself out of the gene pool.

Automation (job scarcity) and climate chaos would only make me not to have them. What awaits them? Would they eventually eat each other?

Better to regret not having kids than to regret their existence

And I would say optimists are delusional fools. Realists would become pessimists. You need to read Reddit Collapse to red pill.

Antinatalism is just Lazy reading the four noble truths of Buddhism... because it stopped at the first truth and couldn't handle any more thinking. by Mnemonic in antinatalism

[–]Mnemonic[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can understand it for population control and the religious use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism#In_religions {There is a reason the coolest religions are quoted there}

But the philosophy says it's morally 'bad' and that is were it becomes a numbers game.

I've listened to this podcast about a year ago, the first time I've come across Anti-natalism in modern times: https://samharris.org/podcasts/107-life-actually-worth-living/ And one of the few times I was 100% on Sam's side. (Funny thing: It's Sam Harris would has written and debates extensively that suffering can be measured and morality should be geared towards reducing it)

I myself am not pro nor anti, it's all really/heavily depended upon the personal context of the people involved. Though overall it's Wisdom to know that nature finds its way, through extinction of sentient life or not.

Antinatalism is just Lazy reading the four noble truths of Buddhism... because it stopped at the first truth and couldn't handle any more thinking. by Mnemonic in antinatalism

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. Fortunately, antinatalism isn't a commonly used word, so I had to look up.

 

Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but the gist of Antinatalism is:
Suffering is a fundamental part of all aspects of life; therefore preventing/discouraging the creation of human life is contributes to a reduction in net universal suffering.

 

Does this philosophy apply solely to human life? If so, then this notion sounds like a backdoor version of globalist eugenics/Agenda 21 bullshit, that is masquerading as eastern wisdom.

If it applys to all life, then it is nihilism at it's absolute worst.

 

Either way, I'm fine with these folks selectively breeding themselves out of the gene pool. Or better yet, they could look around and see that "the struggle" really isn't that bad.

 

Personally, I suspect that suffering is hyperbole, and the term "struggle" is a far more appropriate description for three concept. People can learn to enjoy/appreciate a seemingly insurmountable struggle. Suffering is by it's very definition universally unpleasant.

 

I suspect that the teachings of antinatalism are likely analogous to those priests who frightening their parishioners with sermons of Armageddon, and the End of Days. That is, until they notice that he's been planting trees in his garden.
It's all bullshit. ;-)

What do you think?