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jewornotjew.com?

It sounds like the ethnic equivalent to PropOrNot, and is similarly absent of legitimacy.

(Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili) December 9, 1879 – March 5, 1953 So why are we profiling Joseph Stalin? It turns out that some antisemitic websites are trying to spread rumors that he was a Jew. Apparently, the "Dzhuga" part of his original last name, Dzhugashvili, means "Jew" in Georgian

Whenever any group is labeled anti-Semitic then you can be confident that the following statements are either character assassination, or misinformation full of logical fallacies.

Now, we don't claim to be experts in Georgian. But what we do know is that the Georgian word for "Jews" is transcribed as "Ebraelebi", about as far from "Dzhuga" as one can get.

But let's play devil's advocate. Let's say that the antisemites' claim is true. Since when is last name alone enough to prove one's ethnicity? Go back a few dozen profiles, and you'll meet Paula Abdul. With a last name like that, she must be a Muslim! Of course, she is not. She is 100% Jewish, even with that name.

So flimsy idiotic worthless attempts aside, there is absolutely nothing that would make anyone with a brain think that Stalin was Jewish. Quite the opposite: close to his death, Stalin hatched a plot to purge all Jewish doctors. Yes, that sounds like the actions of someone secretly Jewish!

Not.

What's more, growing up, Stalin attended seminary; Joseph's mother wanted him to be a priest. Yes, that's a real Jewish mother all right: "oh Yossi, eat your lox and bagels, so you can grow up strong and become the Patriarch of all Russia!"

Bleh. Well, at least we got to mention Joseph Stalin and Paula Abdul in the same profile.

Verdict: Not a Jew.

Reddit_sucks_dick you may find this a convincing argument, but I do not.

Besarion Jughashvili is the name of Stalin's father and it's spelled quite differently from your source.

It's doesn't state his fathers ethnicity. The name does raise an eyebrow, but it's not hard evidence.

He had Jewish wifes, so his children would also be considered Jewish.

Again, not proof, but interesting.

Here's a Jewish source that has quite a bit to say about this history. He's biased, but the bias is presented, which I generally regard as more honest.

(https://forward.com/opinion/179038/putin-jews-ruined-russia-but-now-were-pals-eh/)

It shouldn't be contraversial that the was tremendous Jewish influence in the early Soviet Union. So it's extremely surprising that they wouldn't have a leader who was also Jewish.

The use of Stalin as a moniker is also a bit crypto suspicious.

It's entirely possible that I'm mistaken and he wasn't Jewish. However, given the circumstances of Western banks financing the Bolsheviks revolution (etc.) it would be highly improbable if he wasn't.
IMO it just wouldn't make sense... Unless he was selected because he wasn't Jewish...

Edit:. /u/Jesus is a subject matter expert on this facet of history. I'd be curious to hear his take on this.

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Part 2

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Solzhenitsyn later states:

Among the national minorities, it is clear that in an organization containing many Latvians, and a considerable number of Poles, the Jews stand out very distinctly, particularly among the responsible persons and active collaborators in the Cheka, among the commissars and investigators. For example, of the lead investigators in the commissariat for fighting counter-revolution, the most important structure in the whole Cheka, half were Jews.

And…

Why was it that anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka could count with high probability on standing before a Jewish investigator or being shot by a Jew.

Now Jews are standing on every corner and on every step in the hierarchy of Power. The Russian see him on top of the czars' city of Moscow (Lev B. Kamenev) and at the top of the metropolis on the Neva [St. Petersburg] (Grigory Yevseyevich Zinoviev) and as head of the Red Army (Leon Trotsky), the perfect mechanisms for our self-destruction. He must watch as the riverbank dedicated to Saint Vladimir now bears the famous name of Nachimson.

Solzhenitsyn supplements this with a quote from a Jewish authoress:

And naturally this history [i.e., of the Jews] was, as with other peoples, not only of the pious, but also of the shameless; not only of the defenseless and those taken away to be murdered, but also of men with arms bringing death to others; not only of the hunted and persecuted but also of the hunters and persecutors. There are pages of this history which one does not open without trembling. And these are the pages that are systematically and purposefully eradicated from the consciousness of the Jews.

The massive penetration of Jews into all areas of Russian life and into the top Soviet leadership during the first 20 years, after the Revolution proved hardly CONSTRUCTIVE FOR JEWRY, and EVEN HARMFUL.

What deeply affected the soul of the Russian people was the assault against the Orthodox Church.

-- during which, just between 1918 -1924, 8,000 clergymen were executed.

The chairman of the "Federation of Godless Militants" was Trotsky himself. His successor, likewise a Jew, Emelian Yaroslavsky (born Gubelmann), rose from membership in the Central Committee and the Control Commission to become the President of the Supreme Soviet.

And Solzhenitsyn, DEPLORES THE REQUIREMENT for authors to deliberately write biased history -- specifically, as he say, "a gale of curses on the old Russia, to which have been added invented cinematic slanders.

And in an article in The Jewish Tribune:

It is no invention to say that there is antisemitism in the USSR; nowadays in Russia one throws Jewry and Bolshevism into the same pot; of that there is no doubt.

A Jewish woman doctor complained:

"The Jewish Bolsheviks in the administration have ruined my excellent relationship with the local population."

A teacher complained:

"The children yell that I am teaching in a 'Jew school,' because Orthodox [Christian] religious education is no longer permitted and because the priest has been driven out. In the People's Commissariat for Education only Jews are sitting there.

Many Jews consoled themselves with the idea that instead of taking the dangerous and strenuous road of Zionism with Theodor Herzl and Ze'ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky they could, as Solzhenitsyn puts it, "rather immediately get a backbone in Russia, and not just an equal footing, but become a privileged nation."

It is noteworthy that their activism for Bolshevism, with all its consolations, as they recognized and admitted early on, "granted them privileged status," and they claimed this for themselves and their brethren for then and for the future as something natural. Equal rights with others were not to their taste; there had to be privileges. Lenin had provided these to them, but Stalin buried all that under his arbitrary rule.

The "privileging" of the Jews brought with it, among other things, the phenomenon that, as Solzhenitsyn says in The Jews in the Soviet Union:

[I]ncessantly, Jewish relatives streamed into proximity with those who had posts in the power structure of Bolshevism and concomitantly all advantages in practical life, particularly in the capitals with their many apartments and houses from which the owners had fled.

An Israeli historian confirms that the penetration of the high command structures of the Red Army by Jews, which existed from the beginning, still continued in the 1930s.

They were numerous particularly in the military revolutionary council, in the headquarters of the People's Commissariat for Defense, in the general staff and so forth. The same applies to the military districts, the armies, corps, divisions, brigades and all troop units. From the beginning, Jews occupied high positions in the political agencies.

Solzhenitsyn says in The Jews in the Soviet Union:

Of course, the egregious failure in these works was not to have mentioned the super-general, Levi Mekhlis, who from 1937-1940 was Stalin's closest and most trusted friend and, starting in 1941 again became the head of the PURKKA, the political head office of the Red Worker and Farmer Army. Ten days after the beginning of the war, it was he who had a dozen Soviet generals arrested at the highest levels of the command structure at the western front — to say nothing of his retaliatory actions during the Finnish war and later at Kerch in Ukraine.

Fifteen more names of Jewish generals are added by the Little Jewish Encyclopedia: 1976-2005, Jerusalem, Vol. 1, p. 686). All this, however, is still far exceeded by a more recent Jewish author, who arrived at a total figure of 270 Jewish generals and admirals in the Red Army, which included also those promoted during the war to these ranks. These are not only "not a few" — this number is colossal!

Listed are also four wartime people's commissars: be- sides Kaganovich, also Boris Vannikov (in charge of ammunition manufacturing), Simeon Ginsburg (construction department) and Isaac Salzman (tank production).

In addition, there were some Jewish heads of the military administrations of the Red Army, four army commanders, and the commanders of 23 corps, 72 divisions and 102 brigades. "In no other Allied army, not even in the American, did Jews hold such high positions as they did in the Soviet army," writes Dr. Y. Arad.

To speak of a pushing-out of Jews from high positions of power during the war would be wrong. And in the Soviet everyday life of that time as well, no such displacement became apparent.

The Israeli Encyclopedia confirms that in the USSR, in comparison with other ethnicities, "the Jews represented a disproportionately high portion of higher officers, primarily because among them a much higher percentage consisted of people with a university education."

Y. Arad notes: "During the war, the number of commissars and political workers in the various departments of the army who were Jewish was relatively higher than in other fields of activity."

According to the newspaper Unity of Feb. 24, 1945 (nearly at the end of the war), 63,374 Jews were distinguished with a medal or medals for bravery and heroism in the fight, and 59 Jews became "Heroes of the Soviet Union." Yet by 1963, according to the Yiddish-language newspaper/ me Vaser, "Voice of the People" (Warsaw), 160,772 Jews were awarded a medal or medal, and there were 108 "Heroes of the Soviet Union."

In the beginning of the 1990s, an Israeli author published a list with names and data of recipients of this high award, claiming 135 Jewish "Heroes of the Soviet Union" and 12 Jews who received the "Medal of Fame" in all three categories. The same data is also found in the three-volume work Descriptions of Jewish Heroism.

The newest number of Jews who were distinguished for special achievements in combat with Soviet medals is, however, 123, 822. 136 But this is not all. Solzhenitsyn says:

Many Jews dedicated themselves to the construction of all kinds of weapons and war technology, tool-making, aircraft, tank and ship construction, scientific research, the building and the development of industrial enterprises, power supply, metal production and transportation. For work for the front 180,000 Jews received decorations Two hundred of them received the Order of Lenin.

Joachim Hoffmann supplements this enumeration:

"Major General Abakumov, who had surrounded himself with a whole group of Jewish collaborators, was a close and trusted friend of Beria; Abakumov was described by the NKVD's General Sudoplatov as 'a Jew by birth.' He was one of the chief executives responsible for the tremendous crimes of the NKVD/MVD. General Reichmann of the NKVD was praised by Etchov in the 1930s while head of the Kharkov administrative area of the NKVD, was infamous for his special brutality. In 1940 he played a key role in the Katyn shooting of the Polish officers who were prisoners of war.

Twice decorated "Hero of the Soviet Union," Army General Ivan Danilovich Chernyakhovsky, as the commander-in-chief of the Belarussian front, was responsible for atrocities against the civilian population and German prisoners of war in East Prussia. The list could go on and on and on.

Even after the Stalinist purges, organized Jewry remained entrenched in power in the Soviet Union. Jews continued to occupy all the most important posts in the Soviet government. And Stalin who was head honcho, though not a Jew nominally, was the ultimate Shabbat goy, a Jew in all but name or what some might wish to call a “spiritual Jew”. He married into a Jewish family, had Jewish mistresses and friends, and at every point in his career was surrounded by Jewish commissars. Lenin, who was partly Jewish, had always been his role model and chief ideological influence.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's quite a bit to take in...

I got nothing... ;-)

/u/Reddit_sucks_dick. I concede that Stalin wasn't Jewish. He was ultragoy.

I bet you didn't expect this depth of response from the Jesus.