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[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My friend read mein kampf and he said that it had lots of surprisingly good points, but it would always take the conclusions a bit too far

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, but also keep in mind most Mein Kampf translations are trash, some translators even outright lie about what Hitler wrote. The offical Stalag authorized version of Mein Kampf, published by the National Socialists would be the closest to what Hitler wished for Germany to become.

The thing is, one can not understand Hitler nor the National Socialists if you refuse to see what happened to Germany before Hitler came to power. How bad the economic burden was in Germany, how much land they lost. 60,000 suicides a year before Hitler came to power. The US has 30,000. The Germans were poor and starving and millions were homeless. Hitler at least restored order, that is something everyone accepts as a fact.

Yes, Hitler was anti-semitic, and yes, Hitler never wanted to start a war, he pushed 26 peace treaties to Britian and Poland, reasonable ones in fact, which Britian threatened Poland to refuse. Hitler's peace treaty on Danzig was quite reasonable but Poland refused. Read the story about Moses Hess written by his son Wolfe to get a better understanding about how badly Hitler and the NS's did not want to start a war. The war was waged not because of some hellbent dictator who wanted to take over the world like many modern authors like to suggest but because powers wished to destroy germany as a rising economic powerhouse in the middle of Europe. Germany invading Poland, a country which was ethnically cleansing ethnic Germans mind you, was a premptive attack. Soviet Archives have proven that the Soviet Union was planning on attacking Germany and all of Europe anyway. All of their bombers and armamants, weapons, vehicles indicate an offensive war, not defensive. Hitler knew this, and so didn't britian. It was only a matter of time.

As for Mein Kampf and the 25 points of National Socialism, some points I agree with others are a little out there. The erradication of foreign credit and high loans on the German people is reasonable, so isn't low interest loans for homes and the abolshing of these loans if you have 4 children. One point suggests the execution of profiteers, usurers, and money speculators, which today would mean all of wall street. Nevertheless, Hitler is one of, if not the most defamed and lied about persons in history. It doesn't matter if you hate him as a monster or judge him as a fallible human being, it is clear much of what is wrotten about him today is lies and half-truths.

And the craziest crap I have seen is Zionists claiming he was a Rothschild controlled opposition, which anyone who does a reasonable amount of research would know that this isn't true. I always ask why they push this narrative. Chrstopher Jon Bjerknes claims Hitler was a Zionist and a Bolshevik.

In the past I've only claimed Hitler was an anti-Semitic Zionist who wished to expell Jews to Africa, South America or Palestine. The BDS style Nazi posters concerning how Zionists would pillage Palestine illustrate that they knew that this emmigration to Palestine would cause havoc among the arab population. Their propaganda was not shy of illustrating this.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

i tried and found it so boring, i couldn't finish it.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hitler's Mein Kampf was to try to free Germany from foreign debt. Yes, he was racist but most people were back then. Read the hearings of the Federal Reserve senate speeches to see how racist congressman back then were too.

Hitler's pre-war efforts to resotre Germany, whatever authoritarian methods he so chose to enact rose from a long seated fire he obtained during ww1 and the years afterward when the German economy fell and foreign interests bought up German companies and assets by the pennies, many of these people were bankers and were Jewish, such as the House of Rotschild, which Hitler closed down all of their banks. One does not have to be an advocate to see Hitler actually believed in what he spoke and in so tried to restore Germany, even if it meant ethnic Germans only. Was this ideology warped, yes, probably, but he was not shy on letting others know what he would do, and millions of Germans so chose to follow him.

Read "1939: The War that had Many Fathers" to get an understanding of Hitler and who really started the war.

It wasn't Germany or Hitler who wanted war.

[–]Tiwaking[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/me sees Inspiring quote in title

/me sees Ghandi in the picture

/me sees Mein Kampf in picture quote

/me sees Jesus fighting in the comments

Perfectly balanced as all things should be

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (55 children)

it is often said that the mein kampf was written by a catholic monk named staempfle. and gandhi was a theosophist (satanist) just like the united nations elites.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (48 children)

Yes, by Edmond Paris, a liar who didn't footnote this claim. Translate this section:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Stempfle

For some reason english wikipedia prevents editors from puting these sections in. It is in German.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

you forgot to supply evidence supporting your claim paris being a liar

edit: if you take a quick look, you will see there are other sources listed, Karl Dietrich Bracher, Konrad Heiden etc so you can't dismiss it until it is proven they are all wrong.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Here: In his book 'Secrets of the Jesuits,' Paris a possible freemason writes:

...Re-read a certain passage of the "Spiritual Exercises" which says that "the Jesuit must be ready, if the Church declares that what he sees as black is white, to agree with her, even though his senses tell him the opposite". (61)

As far as that is concerned, R.P. Fessard seems to be an excellent Jesuit!

On the 7th of March 1936, Hitler brought the Wehrmacht into the de- militarised Rhine region, so tearing up the pact of Locarno. On the 11th of March 1938, it was the Anschluss (union of Austria and Germany), and on the 29th of September of the same year, in Munich, France and England had imposed on them by the Reich the annexation of Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia.

The Fuhrer had come to power, thanks to the votes of the Catholic Zentrum, only five years before, but most of the objectives cynically revealed in 'Mein Kampf were already realised; this book, an insolent challenge to the western democracies, was written by the Jesuit Father Staempfle and signed by Hitler. For — as so many ignore the fact — it was the Society of Jesus which perfected the famous Pan-German programme as laid out in this book, and the Fuhrer endorsed it.


His last source for yhe chapter is (61), everything after is NOT SOURCED.

(61) "... siquid quod oculis nostris apparet album, nigrum illaesse defrnierit debemus itidem quod nigrum sit pronuntiare". "Institutum Societatis Jesus" (Roman edition of 1869, II p.417).

And for the Mein Kampf paragraph, NOTHING. NO SOURCE.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

if you take a quick look, you will see there are other sources listed, Karl Dietrich Bracher, Konrad Heiden etc so you can't dismiss it until it is proven they are all wrong.

and i still want to know why you wrote paris is a liar!

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Because Paris just made it up without sourcing anything. Plus, he's affiliated with a Christian Zionist and another known liar who advocates flat earth, like Phelps, the diamond dealer Zionist does.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

again, you provide no citations.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I literally sourced you the book. Word frorword. Paris doesn't source this claim. Why? No where can I find such a direct paragraph in which an author straight out says a Jesuit wrote mein Kampf, when the truth is, as stated in the German article that he was a former Jesuit and no evidence exists other than the fact that he was an editor and fixed grammatical errors possibly for Hitler.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

no, i mean where is your proof for phelphs being a diamond dealer?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

http://www6.lowvehm.com/?s_token=1577820867.0044045811&uuid=1577820867.0044045811&searchbox=1&showDomain=1&tdfs=1

USE ARCHIVE.

Phelps promoting flat earth means he's a shill. Flat earth was a government PSYOP from the very beginning.

Why is it that all of the most vocal Jesuit conspiracy theorists defend Israel at every turn?

Also, Phelps was a white Sepratist and advocated these agent provocatuer beliefs online.

Vice President of a Newmanstown, Pennsylvania, firm, www.lowvehm.com. According to the firm’s website, Phelps is a trader and merchant of wholesale diamonds and colored gems from Israel. In a letter posted on the lowvehm.com website with his signature as Vice President, Phelps boasts:

"Lowvehm, Inc. offers the finest quality diamonds on today’s market. Israeli cutters being the best in the world, we order direct from Tel Aviv (Israel’s) famous diamond district. All sales are final. No refunds are given..."

Phelps then closes the offer with:

"Sincerely for your gemological satisfaction,"

Eric Jon Phelps

Vice President

Lowvehm Inc.

203 South Fort Zellers Rd., Suite D

Newmanstown, PA 17073

Phelps also brags on the lowvehm.com website that he can assist "our wealthy clients" with "customized," exclusive international business consultant services. He promises to help "men and women of wealth" survive and prosper in the 21st century.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I soruced everything, and stated my opinion. You've sourced nothing, such as your claim Ghandi is a Satanist or that somehow all students who attend a Jesuit owned school, tens of thousands of students are somehow jesuits and part of a world conspiracy, when the very opposite is true in the case of you listing Mona as a Jesuit hellbent on selling synthetic fertilizers.

Then you claim because I got a scholarship to a Jesuit school, which I did not attend, I must be biased. Do you realize I obtained that scholarship dozens of years ago. The point I was trying to make with that statement is that attending a Jesuit member school, does not mean a student or graduate is a Jesuit.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

https://blavatskytheosophy.com/gandhi-on-blavatsky-and-theosophy/

https://theosophy.wiki/en/Mohandas_K._Gandhi#Introduction_to_the_Theosophical_Society

you don't have to be ordained to think, act and behave like a jesuit. education in a jesuit school will also provide social connections into jesuit circles which, in time will render people being heavily jesuit influenced. birds of a feather.. and this in itself is bad enough.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You just provide links, That isn't sourcing anything. Nothing says Ghandi was a Satanist. The first link doesn't work for me either.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because Paris just made it up without sourcing anything

a missing footnote doesn't necessarily means he made it up :-)

and more to the point, as i said before, he is not the only source on the mein kampf wiki page.

lastly, what makes you say he is a mason?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, we shouldn't jsut believe it and take it as proof, when no proof exists, whould we? We already know he was not a Jesuit, so Paris lied.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, but he made up that Stempfle was a Jesuit. And a missing footnote doesn't lend any credibility to the author.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Did you read my evidence?

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

the german wiki link? it supports my claim.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How so? You said he wrote Mein Kampf. Provide evidence that Stempfle wrote it in full, othe rthan being an editor, and furthermore, he WAS NOT A JESUIT and renounced Jesuitism well before Hitler came to power.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

once a jesuit, always a jesuit. and even if writing the m. k. was a team effort, it is still damning enough!

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But he's NOT A JESUIT at all.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i know he was a catholic and that is why i wrote exactly that. but just in case he was secretly still a jesuit or even if not a jesuit, but carrying out jesuit orders, that still means he is a jesuit agent. not a jesuit, but worked for the jesuits. truth will come out.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but just in case he was secretly still a jesuit or even if not a jesuit, but carrying out jesuit orders, that still means he is a jesuit agent. not a jesuit, but worked for the jesuits. truth will come out.

But no proof suggests that.

And being a former Catholic doesn't mean you're a Jesuit.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just posted a long comment, hope you read it. The german link does not support your claim at all.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I know. I'm going to research and read up and find the books in which they mentioned this. But to say with authority it was Jesuit written is saying it because of Bias. No proof exists, and until then, Hitler wrote it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

/u/useless_aether

I cannot dismiss it, but certainly I cannot say that a Jesuit wrote it completely. Nobody claims that except Zionist and diamond dealer, and flat Earth PSYOP pusher Eric Jon Phelps and Edmond Paris.

He was a former Catholic, which means he could have retained parts of his belief system, or maybe not. so instead we must focus on the person.

The role played by Stempfle in the creation of Hitler's political confession Mein Kampf is controversial in historical research and has not yet been definitively clarified.

And yet, here is Paris, who sells his book in the largest Freemasonic lodge in the world telling us a Jesuit wrote the entire book without any footnote. Look at the addressin the back of the book, which I have, it is in the freemasonic lodge in Paris.

And yet, he never was a Jesuit:

Stempfle entered the Catholic Order of the Poor Hermits of Saint Jerome as a young man. [3] On the other hand, as Lapomarda has shown, the membership of the Jesuit Order, which is often attributed to him in literature, is a mistake on the part of the authors concerned, which, even contemporaries of Stempfles, often underwent and, according to Plöckinger, " made fun of it". Due to a lack of members, the Hieronymite Order was later dissolved. Stempfle himself no longer wore religious costume from about 1923 and no longer held priestly functions, but was still referred to by confidants and acquaintances as "Father Stempfle". For this reason, Stempfle often still figures as a father in literature, when we talk about the years 1923 to 1934, for which this title is strictly no longer true. Helmut Heiber even refers to him – as the only author and probably false – as a prelate.

(Vincent A. Lapomarda: The Jesuits and the Third Reich, 1989, S. 36.)

(Othmar Plöckinger: Geschichte eines Buches. Adolf Hitlers "Mein Kampf" 1922-1945, S. 134.)

(Helmut Heiber: Adolf Hitler. Eine Biographie, 1960, S. 47.)

Konrad Heiden, NEVER CLAIMS, a Jesuit wrote Mein Kampf but instead edited and changed some passages of it, not paragraphs and not chapters and certainly not the whole thing. Which means Hitler was probably in full accordance of these facts.

...some changes to the original text and even rewrote some passages completely.

The renegade National Socialist Otto Strasser, Hitler's enemy reported in his 1942 book Hitler and I, published in Exile in The United States, that Stempfle had worked for months to organize the thoughts expressed in the manuscript on Mein Kampf. In addition, he put into the world the legend that Hitler had Stempfle assassinated because of his corrections to the book. This note was later taken up by the English Hitler biographer Alan Bullock. In his reflection on Hitler's vita, he stated that Stempfle had "stylistically cleaned" Hitler's manuscript (pruned) and rewritten it in parts. [23] In his wide-ranging study of the history of Mein Kampf, Othmar Plöckinger proves that over the years numerous authors took up Bullock's claim and thus spread his view of Stempfle's role in the creation of Mein Kampf.

But still not proof, all claims and it comes straight from the mouth of one of Hitler's rivals.

Harry Schulze-Wilde went so far as to attribute to Stempfle the merit that he had rewritten Mein Kampf into a "somewhat understandable German". Riemeck claims that Stempfle, together with Josef Czerny, tried to bring some order to the thoughts in Hitler's book by giving structure to the promptings wildly thrown together by Hitler, as well as grammar and orthography of the corrected the manuscript.

This seems far more likely, because he was an editor afterall.

Kern points out that Stempfle, like the other "repeatedly mentioned co-authors" of Mein Kampf, had nothing to do with the writing of the book. In contrast to this "legend", Stempfle's role was limited exclusively to "stylistic corrections". [27] Ernst Nolte agrees and also attributes Stempfle only to corrective work on Hitler's original text. [28]

Werner Maser quotes Hermann Hammer, who claimed in a study in 1956 that "Father Bernhard Stempfle [...] however, Ilse Hess, the wife of Rudolf Hess, wrote to him in 1965 that neither Stempfle nor Karl Haushofer had collaborated on the Hitler book, but that she and her husband had "purely stylistically"

So, Heiden, never claims a Jesuit nor Stempfle wrote Mein Kampf. Heiden was a Jewish Socialist, left-wing hournalist, he was vocally against National Socialism and Hitler. Heiden belonged to nearly all the groups least liked by Hitler, and realized as much; soon after the accession of the Hitler government, he wisely saw fit to leave a Germany where he was no longer welcome. It is therefore no surprise that he is very hostile to the subject of his biography, for both political and personal reasons.

Only rarely does he list his sources, which makes his account problematic for the critical historian to use; while many of his stories are not inherently implausible, others have a touch of the fantastic to them, and some are demonstrably erroneous rumors. (For example, his frivolously speculative sections on der Führer's sex life -- A perennial favorite of popular modern historians.) On the other hand, he does on occasion quote interesting primary-source documents, among them a private letter by serving Corporal Adolf Hitler (in World War I) to a pre-war acquaintance in Munich, describing the heavy fighting he has seen. A real treat back then, although nowadays such documents are also available elsewhere (for example, in Werner Maser's published sample of Hitler's private writings).

As was probably inevitable, given his limited sources and personal biases, Heiden's image of the German dictator was in many ways incomplete, and in some severely mistaken. So, for example, he subscribed to the then-common idea of Hitler as a mere power-hungry demagogue, whose politics were largely opportunistic and lacking in conviction. (Subsequent inquiry has entirely reversed this view.) He also imagined Hitler as a sort of split personality in his earlier works, though here that theory is toned down. Moreover, Heiden's own Marxian conceptions strongly color his political analysis of the rise of Hitler's movement. And of course, this book's limited scope by itself precludes any real study of Hitler as leader of Germany, as opposed to leader of the opposition.


As for Karl Dietrich Bracher in the book - The German Dictatorship. Origin, structure, consequences of National Socialism, 1979, p. 139.

Bracher assumes that Stempfle was killed on June 30 for;

"an overly confidential service" to Hitler.

It is a claim without any proof or evidence.


Among other things, statements by Hitler's adjutant Julius Schaub and his body photographer Heinrich Hoffmann from the post-war period speak for Hitler's non-involvement in the death of Stempfle: Schaub explained about an interrogation by IfZ employee Franz Schaubs on July 26, 1951, that "among those murdered in Munich whose death Hitler most regretted , [...] the former pastor Stempfle was to be mentioned in particular, with whom Hitler was together almost daily."[52] Hoffmann wrote in his memoirs: "When I killed Hitler at the time of Hitler's death, he wrote in his memoirs: "When I killed Hitler in the past, He was a member of the former pastor Stempfle. first time after the catastrophe, he grabbed me by the arm and complained with deep shock: "What do you say, Hoffmann, these pigs also killed my good Father Stempfle!" Later, when I asked about the connection between the tragedy, Hitler cut me off the speech with a brusque hand gesture: "No more word about it!" he said in a tone that did not tolerate any contradiction. It has remained so throughout the years..."

Bruno Brehm blames the Munich city councillor Christian Weber for the murder of Stempfle and refers to the polemics of Stempfle against Weber, who ran a brothel in Munich's Senefelderstraße, which Stempfle considered unworthy of an "old fighter" and that is why he mocked Weber as a "Senefeld marshal". Weber had taken scares badly and used the june 30 murder wave as an opportunity to settle his personal bill with Stempfle. According to this, Stempfle was placed on the death list of the Munich execution squads on his own initiative by Weber and without Hitler's intervention. [54] The same view can be found in Wilhelm Hoegner.


In conclusion, a Jesuit did NOT WRITE Mein Kampf, not even a passage. Little evidence exists to suggests Stempfle wrote Mein Kampf, some evidence suggests he edited parts of it, and fixed it up, as he was an editor afterall.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Look at the addressin the back of the book, which I have, it is in the freemasonic lodge in Paris.

this is no proof!

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Doesn't matter, Edmond lied. He's not a Jesuit. And didn't write Mein Kampf in full.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I cannot dismiss it, but certainly I cannot say that a Jesuit wrote it completely. Nobody claims that except Zionist and diamond dealer, and flat Earth PSYOP pusher Eric Jon Phelps and Edmond Paris.

no source for another one of your unsubstantiated claims. you keep doing this.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OMG, jsut google Phelps as a diamodn dealer. I gave you all the sources in other comments. I debunked that Stempfle was a Jesuit. You keep claiming he was, he was not. Just like you claim Mona, who went to a Jesuit membership school somehow is a Jesuit.

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So, Heiden, never claims a Jesuit nor Stempfle wrote Mein Kampf. Heiden was a Jewish Socialist, left-wing hournalist, he was vocally against National Socialism and Hitler. Heiden belonged to nearly all the groups least liked by Hitler, and realized as much; soon after the accession of the Hitler government, he wisely saw fit to leave a Germany where he was no longer welcome. It is therefore no surprise that he is very hostile to the subject of his biography, for both political and personal reasons.

https://www.amazon.com/Fuehrer-Hitlers-Rise-Power/dp/0897603966

Only rarely does he list his sources, which makes his account problematic for the critical historian to use; while many of his stories are not inherently implausible, others have a touch of the fantastic to them, and some are demonstrably erroneous rumors. (For example, his frivolously speculative sections on der Führer's sex life -- A perennial favorite of popular modern historians.) On the other hand, he does on occasion quote interesting primary-source documents, among them a private letter by serving Corporal Adolf Hitler (in World War I) to a pre-war acquaintance in Munich, describing the heavy fighting he has seen. A real treat back then, although nowadays such documents are also available elsewhere (for example, in Werner Maser's published sample of Hitler's private writings).

https://www.amazon.com/Fuhrer-Konrad-Heiden/dp/0785815511

why are you plagiarizing an amazon book reviewer, Arnold E. Bjorn? are you him?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, that was meant to be quoted as can be seen by the quotes below and above, it didn't register because I formatted the text wrong. Both above and bleow portions are part of the reivew. I've read other books from Heiden in english, as well as articles that I found decent reading. I cannot seem to find that book in English, but it is you who have claimed that Stempfle wrote the book and that he was a Jesuit, so the burden is on you to provide proof. I still, nevertheless, showed you that his book does NOT claim a Jesuit wrote Mein Kampf, because he wasn't a Jesuit to begin with, and he never claims he wrote it in full, he only changed some passages. Again, Stempfle was an editor afterall.

Your claim and falt earther Phelps and Paris that Stempfle wrote Mein Kampf is not backed up by facts, only hearsay. There's plenty of more evidence Hitler wrote it and Stempfle edited and fixed up parts of it. And AGAIN, he wasn't a Jesuit which means Phelps, Paris and these internet claims are based on ignorance.

Heiden said:

...some changes to the original text and even rewrote some passages completely.

He based this off hearsay. We cannot prove this is true. All we know is he was an editor and might have edited parts of Mein Kampf for better reading. The claim he was a Jesuit is a lie.

And unlike hearsay, we do have a first-hand account of someone close to Hitler:

Body photographer Heinrich Hoffmann from the post-war period speak for Hitler's non-involvement in the death of Stempfle: Schaub explained about an interrogation by IfZ employee Franz Schaubs on July 26, 1951, that:

"among those murdered in Munich whose death Hitler most regretted , [...] the former pastor Stempfle was to be mentioned in particular, with whom Hitler was together almost daily."[52]

Hoffmann wrote in his memoirs: "When I killed Hitler at the time of Hitler's death, he wrote in his memoirs:

"When I killed Hitler in the past, He was a member of the former pastor Stempfle. first time after the catastrophe, he grabbed me by the arm and complained with deep shock: "What do you say, Hoffmann, these pigs also killed my good Father Stempfle!" Later, when I asked about the connection between the tragedy, Hitler cut me off the speech with a brusque hand gesture: "No more word about it!" he said in a tone that did not tolerate any contradiction. It has remained so throughout the years..."

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The infamous anti-National Socialist propagandist Konrad Heiden, Jewish, also suggested in his venomous biographies of Hitler, published in 1932 and 1936, that Hitler was of Jewish descent. Although these books were highly regarded in circles hostile to the Movement, this one lie was correctly deemed too unlikely to be taken seriously and was generally dismissed even today.

However, after the war he wrote a detailed article in Life magazine providing step-by-step details of how the Nuremberg defendants were being tortured by the Allies into confessing, and contrasting the Soviet methods of torture (psychological) with the U.S. methods (physical brutality).

In its June 20, 1949 edition, Life magazine published a superbly written article by the German-born Jewish writer, and early Hitler biographer, Konrad Heiden, about the memoirs of Goebbels' underlining Hans Fritzsche. Heiden concentrates on how Fritzsche detailed his psychological torture by the Soviets, being forced to sign a fraudulent confession, and then being raced off to be tried at the big Nuremberg trial, which ended up acquitting him.

The full article can be read here:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cU4EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA91&dq=%22the%20remarkable%20case%20of%20Hans%20Fritzsche%22&pg=PA91#v=onepage&q=%22the%20remarkable%20case%20of%20Hans%20Fritzsche%22&f=false

[–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The infamous anti-National Socialist propagandist Konrad Heiden, Jewish

infamous how and why?

so he was against the nazis as a jew? and you are holding this against him? why?

that Hitler was of Jewish descent

so? what if he was right? we all know about hitler possibly being a rotschild bastard. and the rothschilds are jews of course. hitler being a rothschild spawn makes perfect sense.

Movement

and by the movement you mean the what?

this one lie was correctly deemed too unlikely to be taken seriously and was generally dismissed even today.

what makes you say that?

how is heidens fritzsche article relevant here again?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not holding it against him. I'm telling you that because of this and his marxist leanings he did not have the objectivity that other historical researchers and authors might have.

so? what if he was right? we all know about hitler possibly being a rotschild bastard. and the rothschilds are jews of course. hitler being a rothschild spawn makes perfect sense.

No proof exists that Hitler was Jewish in full, nor that he was somehow a Rothschild bastard. And it is Zionists who push this myth. As for him being a Rothschild agent, the only one claiming that is the book by pseudonym Sydney Warburg and even in that book he says only rotten Jewish bankers funded Hitler without proof.

Poole and other researchers looking through actual Nazi and Soviet archives have proven that Zionists funded DAP before Hitler, but nowhere close to the other parties in Germany. Must of Hitler's money came from his book, a few German industrialists, who gave campaign contributions to other parties as well because they were quite unsure of Hitler considering his many socialist policies that attacked capitalism, as well as membership contributions in the millions.

Sutton's book is based on Sydney Warburgs book, and even then Sutton neve claims Hitler was backed by the Bushes or Rothschild agents. I nfact, he actually claims, despite him not actually looking in German archives that Hitler was largely grassroots and much of the moeny came from rural folks, the middle class and membership dues.

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    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I can't imagine that. But would it have happened even if Hitler never existed, or if the Social democrates won in Germany? Would Stalin take over all of Europe? I'd imagine, in this case too, the western powers would continue to fight Stalin, no?

    I don't think Hitler particularly wanted war, but I think all powers were fighting among themselves for geopolitical reasons.

    Why do you think the war was fomented? Was there a secret reason for its fomenting?

    The Sydney Warburg story I guess is plausible but it is largely anonymous and hard to prove.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If I had had the slightest inkling of this gigantic Red Army assemblage I would never have taken the decision to attack.” ~ Hitler

    So, I read that many within the Nazi party tried to go against the best interests of Hitler, no? And this was one reason, among others that Germany lost.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Alios Schicgrubber? THe Red Symphony story is quite possible the more I research this side of Hitler.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The conspiracy movement and Zionist movement make these huge claims and they are promoted by organizations as truth, when there's no proof for any of them. If you saysfor certainty Hitler was a Rothschild agent, when he closed down many of the Banks and even jailed a Rothschild becuase of their law which made profiteering and usury a criminal offense or that Hitler was Jewish or that Stempfle was a Jesuit (he was not) who wrote Mein Kampf, back the claim up. I have not found any proof of these claims, and much to the contrary.

    [–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    for the record i wrote staempfle was a catholic, not jesuit.

    wikipedia disgrees with you on staempfle and i will go with what is there.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, sorry, Paris suggests this is fact, which isn't true.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    By the way the publisher for Edmond Paris's book is Christian Zionist Jack Chick. Who promotes this:

    https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=1000

    ^ ^ ^ Unbiblical Chistian Zionist propaganda.

    The thing is, Jesuit membership schools teach learning quite differently from the public schooling we observe today. Unliek the CIA, corporate and Zionist owned media tere are many Jesuit teachers in education who teach that students must think critically and ask questions and apply them through philosophical and ethical examples. Everything I've read about Jesuit teaching has led me to believe they at least care about students thinking logically and not blindly believing something. That is not brainwashing at all.

    Now, that's from what I've researched and what you have so far shown me. Of course, I'm not denying that Jesuits had a Blood Libel on Jews or that they did conduct murders in their former years and through the reformation periods, though there's a lot of grey matter in between all of this.

    Other than Edmond Paris's claim that Stempfle was a Jesuit, his book DOES HAVE a lot of good information that I'm going to skim through and possibly read again.

    [–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    led me to believe

    exactly. how else will they gain your trust and dedication. it doesn't matter if they are good teachers if they will poison you in the process.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But do they? DO you have proof that there teaching is somehow brainwashing, when most of it revolves around moralism, ethics and thinking for yourself.

    The Coleman, Zionist Jewish type common core crap is what is brainwashing. Can you name a practicing Jesuit who promotes common core?

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Gandhi was not a satanist, and not all teh United Nation elites are satanists. Luciferians, yes, but not Satanists in the meaning of the word.

    [–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    theosophy, luciferianism and satanism are all the same crap. the difference matters only to those who practice it.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    No, not really. The difference matters in the outcomes and ideologies and mark they wish to put on the world. Some are in staunch opposition against other theosophical societies.

    [–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    i am not buying it

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Okay, fine but clearly there are hundreds of Theosophical societies. Some with anti-semitic views, other with aryan-Germanic views and some distasteful of such views.

    There are of course various infiltrations in all these secret societies and revolutionary lodges.

    So, you are saying ALL these societies have the same goal and are all working together despite their political, religious, spiritual or geographical differences?

    [–]useless_aether 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    all the chapters of the orders are controlled by their respective grand masters and nothing is stopping these higher ups to organize in ad hoc, temporary or long term associations and cliques as they see fit. don't you know about the builderbergers, the committe of the 300, the knights of malta, the jesuits and so on.

    they use the pyramid exactly because their system is hierarchical.. why? what were you thinking?