Is Ukraine Actually A US/Russia Proxy War?

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[–]restlessincanada 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

this is much more serious. they have proxy wars all over the globe, but there is no real security threat to either of these powers in those conflicts. this conflict is much more like the cuban missle crisis created by ussr expansion into cuba.

[–]zyxzevn[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

I compare it to Canada joining China, which would be a huge security threat to the US.
And not even impossible, since their president likes China.

There were also US nuclear missiles in Turkey, but we do not know where those have gone to.

[–]Zapped 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Don't forget this.....

https://www.newswars.com/canada-installs-underwater-chinese-monitoring-devices-near-us-sub-base/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Too late. Have you been to Hongcouver lately?

[–]zyxzevn[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

People's Republic of Canada

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

But that's China joining Canada, I'm sure that must be different?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

China is not "joining" Canada. China has domestic commie limitations about investments in China. They seek to invest overseas. Canada has let the Chinese invest and buy out Vancouver from inside out. This is exploitative infiltration and take over.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I was being facetious.

[–]grassfed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Is it full of street shitters too?

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I agree, it's very different when the war is on Russia's border and they have been seeing ethnic Russians dying in Donbass for years.

Also, we shouldn't limit this just to the US. Davos is a reality at this point. We need to start thinking in terms of their tendrils in all countries. Look how the EU is reacting.

[–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

True. Proxy war in that it's not a direct war between the two. But you're right. This one is closer to home than most, exactly like the Cuban missile crisis.

[–]Cyberat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Except there was no war in Cuba, if you ignore the JFK Operation Bay of Pigs failure.

[–]BravoVictor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. The Bay of Pigs and other antagonizations were the proxy war. The missile crisis risked it being a direct war. US and Russia ships almost came to blows and Russia backed off.

Russia's been hoping, through negotiations over the last 8 years, that the US and NATO would back off their expansion in Ukraine, but they didn't. I can only guess at the calculus each side used. Maybe the US didn't think Putin would actually invade, or maybe they thought he might but it was still worth the risk to take Ukraine.

[–]Cyberat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Russia did not invade, you are watching false flags and fakery. Sending mercs. ? Perhaps.

This will come to nuclear war, because USA still has a larger military and bigger budget to overwhelm them with ordnance alone.

When Putin realizes he cannot win and invested too much of a military force to be able to defend Russia from an invasion.

[–]jostiniane 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I like Ron Paul take on all the subjects.. But also the relationship he makes to the inflation & economics.. This war got so much trolls from the western side that top social media became a pisspool with watery shit.. Basically NATO pretending to defend humans rights & bombing, right now, a couple of countries.. (oh but we have our own reasons - well Russia has own reasons here too)

[–]zyxzevn[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Conflicts and wars are also related to markets.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Analysts in the US and Britain noted today that the war in Ukraine could drag on for 10 or 20 years. Though it's not a proxy war at the moment, anyone reading the reports today will see that this is the likely next step, involving military aid from several countries, as has happened in Syria. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ukraine+10+years&t=h_&ia=web

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Obviously yes, although I don't think its fair to characterize the US as the aggressor. We have seen the Soviet Union, it was not a good thing. It is in the best interest of the world to support the former client states' independence.

[–]raven9 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

It takes 2 to tango. The bottom line is, the Soviet Union wanted to create a communist utopia where all the workers contribute to pay for everything everyone needs. The U.S. Government wanted to destroy that because they did not want the U.S. working class to see what they could have had if it wasn't for the greed of their capitalist overlords. That was the premise for the entire cold war, the destruction of Vietnam, the arms race and pretty much everything else that happened in the 20th Century.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The US ruined the Communist Utopia! Hah! Problem is communism doesn't get rid of kleptocrats. Same greedy fucks you get in capitalism, but the state is All Powerful. Dissent is not allowed. Total shit hole. I'd rather die in nuclear fire than live under that sort of regime.

If I gave you 4000 Monero to distribute equally would you dutifully parse out half a million dollars to others, taking only one equal share? Even if you would, would the next guy? Greed plagues us regardless of political system.

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Dude. Communism is a system of 100% parasites living off the 100% of parasites, feeding off themselves into an ever-deepening hole. Capitalism is terrible because it's a system with 1% parasites living off the 99% host, but it is not by any measure nearly as bad as communism.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Are there BLM riots in the DPRK? Do they have child drag queens parading down the streets of Pyongyang?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The Jews are trying to destroy white civilization of the West, so... obviously, that's where you find these things. Do you have a point?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Capitalism is far more corrosive to the foundations of society, and that's why the Jews have put their weight behind it. The countries that were behind the Iron Curtain are uniformly more "based" than those that were to the West of it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They CREATED communism as a weapon against the wealth creation habit of the white race though, so... NOPE.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Sometimes the Jews accidently invent something that's good for the world. And that's mostly down to Stalin winning out over Trotsky.

[–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I've been saying for a week the problem is the assumption that you are supporting "the former client states' independence." Being subservient to Davos is accepting a new master, not claiming independence. Look at what is going on in Europe and Canada regarding covid, and you see that there are serious questions about the supposed "independence" of the citizens living there. What Russia is doing is brutal and wrong, but supporting Davos to replace Russia may lead us to second order effects that are equally bad as the evil the original strategy was designed to counter.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

> Being subservient to Davos is accepting a new master, not claiming independence.

[–]OrionBlastar 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Bring back the draft! Draft women too as well as transgender and nonbinary whatever they are.

[–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Yes. Obviously. Next question.

[–]grassfed 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Is the Ukrainian president actually dead, and some look alike is larping?

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Why do you say this? It's a new thread to me. Evidence?

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's a Russian implosion.

[–]Cyberat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You have to ask ? We installed missile batteries in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey (and Ukraine unconfirmed), way before needing to protect

Biden's Gang Rape of Ukraine's resources. Foresight in Action has already taken place, you are too late.

[–]jostiniane 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Weird how every US president comes with a new agenda.. Trump going full anti Asia anti China then Biden full anti Russia and even dragged everyone into a war just to protect his business in Ukrn.. US regime seems to have no respect to humans lives.. The same people bombing now a couple of countries 5000 km away & yet complaining about Russia protecting it's interest with a border country.