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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

They've been in control since 1913. Trump's nationalism theater was shit.

[–]StillLessons[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

In many ways I agree with you. But all the same I do think something major has shifted in the past 4 years. Having lived through the past several decades in the US, I have never before seen the culture (popular, not just political) shift away from freedom of speech. The establishment has always worked to suppress it, but never before were they explicit about it. They would pretend they weren't doing precisely what they were.

That's the change. No more pretending. There is now an explicit conversation that the first amendment should be annulled. They aren't yet putting it in those exact terms, but the meaning of the rhetoric is 100% identical with that goal.

That is a huge change. The origins of the US model were individual rights being superior to group rights. In the past four years, that foundational idea is being explicitly cast aside. The ignorance which allows a change like this is mind-boggling.

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    [–]StillLessons[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Equally important as the communication channels is the judiciary. When parler or a parler equivalent is explicitly shut down, for example - or closer to home, if saidit is shut down - are the courts going to recognize the first amendment issues or will they twist the law to fit the modern zeitgeist? This is the level we are at now.

    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed, the war for a free internet and free speech is afoot. I'm hoping for a huge conservative backlash over everyone cancelling Parler for nothing.

    [–]Jesus 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Read Washington on foreign influence. Washington was a freemason but he would have expelled every Zionist from teh US if he was living today.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Why 1913? I'm starting to think they've had some clout here since the beginning with the original companies.

    [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    The Federal Reserve Act and income taxes were passed. It's kinda arbitrary, lots of people place our corruption much earlier.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Hm, I wouldn't call that arbitrary. That could've been when it switched from having major clout in certain areas of the country to having total control over major services and markets.