New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer.

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[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

What the hell.

What is the deal with the censorship. It'd be one thing if the footage looked super fake and made it look like a hoax, but the footage instead verifies it's real. Why would they want to censor that SOOO badly?

Is it just some vain attempt to limit the influence the killer or something? Why is it ok to show ISIS beheading people on the news, but this has to be censored with a huge fine for even telling people where to get it? Why? What is the motivation?

I just really don't get it.

[–]Greedeater 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Simply put; not only is it the first time that a mass shooting has been streamed in First person, but it's also happened in a country not known for these types of attacks. We used to have vids with the same perspective from Daesh footage on occasion in WPD back in the day, but no-one really cared as it was over there, not over here; Not happening in developed country.

Then they tried to bury it.

Humans are naturally curious folk, so when they get told they can't see something, they'll want to see it more. Streisand Effect in full swing.

Though the censorship involved was done under the guise of not celebrating what Tarrant did - don't give him any attention, essentially - the reach that police have with this is concerning. Same with the Danish backpackers in Morrocco a while back. Mark my words, some law will come in soon™ basically giving countries in allegiance full authority to officially do this. Luckily we have folk like Josh over on KiwiFarms tellin em to piss off.

[–]Jesus 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Twitter leaves ISIS twitter pages up but bans people for questioing why they don't take them down.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's cause ISIS = CIA.

[–]useless_aether[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

1st option:

the nwo is promoting the destruction of the 'west', so that it can take its place as the dominant force asap. so, in which case the message from the deep sate cant be more clear: its okay for people of color to slaughter white westerners publicly, but its not okay for white westerners to slaughter people of color publicly. thats a taboo.

2nd option:

the attack was a false flag.. the casualties were pawns. in which case the video is a crafted psyop material. what i mean is that the shooter visited ismaili territories in his travels, where he was welcomed and had a good time, but somehow his gear is a list of serbian heroes and his music is serbian. the serbs fought the ismailis just recently, the bosnian alija izetbegovic was afaik a shia. the albanians, the mortal enemies of the serbs host the world hq of the bektashi sufi order, which are historically connected to the sect of assassins from alamut (nizari ismaili). so the serbian stuff is aimed at blackening the serbian christians. imo, the sufis are gnostics and gnosticism is the inversion of the religion. what is good in one becomes evil in the other. iow, satanists, so its an attack of a satanist order on serbian christianity, their traditional enemies.

3rd option:

they are simply trying to prevent any potential monkey see monkey do copycat attacks on mosques. and also prevent the spread of gun culture, gun use, glorification of violence, etc in face of imminent gun control. its part of their social engineering.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

All three.

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

never let a good crisis go to waste. --rahm emanuel

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

rahm emanuel is also the son on an irgun terrorist, and likely a mossad agent.

[–]GOOSE 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would they want to censor that SOOO badly?

  1. Respect for the victims. Since it's a very personal attack and video, compared to say 911 where you can't see people's faces.
  2. Misguided attempt at moralising.
  3. Misguided attempt to prevent "copycats"
  4. Opportunity to extend censorship powers

What's really interesting to me is how it is allowing the news media to literally lie and misreport facts about the incident. The video and manifesto were immediate and direct evidence of what was happening/had happened, and the media did not report accurately at all in the early days, and now in the aftermath is still not reporting accurately stating things like "the killer wanted to be famous" even though his manifesto literally says that he "will be forgotten and doesn't matter".

Is this because the media are incompetent? Is it because they can't get a hold of the evidence to do their jobs because of the censorship? Or is it to control how the reporting is done?

[–]PaigeAP 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is this because the media are incompetent? Is it because they can't get a hold of the evidence to do their jobs because of the censorship? Or is it to control how the reporting is done?

I think it's all of that combined.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Accurate breakdown, I think you're right on the money.

[–]Icalasari 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The shooter wanted the video to spread to cause chaos and make the divide between political sides wider. He predicted that the media would be drooling to release footage to get views, and he was right

Now it seems like the second part of it is coming to fruition - more division because now governments are cracking down and trying to stop it from spreading even though the cat is already out of the bag. This will only make people want to see it more and distrust the government more, and maybe even cause a decent chunk to see it as a false flag with the government trying to remove the video because of "something they got wrong in production that shows its fakeness"

That killer is disgusting, but he thought this through

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We have to be careful to distinguish between a hoax and a false flag.

Hoax = no one died, it was all actors and theater

false flag = those people definitely really died, but the event was orchestrated by agencies who influenced the killer, maybe arming him and radicalizing him, and the killer may or may not have been in on that fact that it was agencies doing this to him

It seems very very few think this was a hoax, the video makes it pretty clear it was not a hoax. But the manifesto and the way the media is reacting to the video, makes me think it is a false flag. It's just a little too perfect for those looking to expand their power. This guy mentioned basically every cultural touchstone that they want to attack. It's just a little too coincidental. I could be wrong though and he could truly have been acting alone (or with those 2 other people who where apparently arrested at the second mosque with guns and explosives in their car)

[–]Icalasari 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Eh, I still think he was a lone actor just based on how fast media tried to backpedal when they realized they screwed up. Well 'lone actor' in terms of not working with a major group or government - he was WAY too accurate and calm during that video so he had to have had training

I DO think governments are capitalizing on this to try another shot at neutering the internet, however, and the reactions of government after the fact are planned and calculated

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sometimes it's a combo like 7/7.

If I wrote a manifesto I would likely include both sides, blame everyone for being unwoke idiots and not being skeptical of authority, government, power, the system, religion, science, and all dogmas...