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[–]ShekelPa 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"BAFFLED" as they always say now.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe the clot shot.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We know what it's not, and it's not that.

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is that good or bad?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Depends how you look at it really

[–]niggerjewfaggot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

False. Look up the press release they are manipulating:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/excessdeathsinenglandandwalesmarch2020todecember2022/2023-03-09

17,288 excess non-COVID deaths

There was a 2.8% increase for males (20,945), but a 0.5% decrease for females (3,658 fewer deaths).

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

False.

There was a 2.8% increase for males (20,945)

...Maybe I'm just not as good at math as you, but 20,945 seems like it is literally 'tens of thousands'

[–]niggerjewfaggot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Apologies - how crass of me - I should have written: I beg to differ my good man - instead of 32,441 deaths noted by the Mirror, the actual number of total excess non-COVID British deaths during May-December 2002 was 17,288 .

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

The ONS report states that there were 17,288 excess above the 5 year average. The Mirror compared with the number of excess deaths the year before. Both are significant figures. Dismissing the entire topic based on misinterpretation of the statistics presented is disingenuous.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Your response is disingenuous. The Mirror inflated the number - look at the graph in the ONS report, and read the rest of the report, and STFU.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Umm, no. You are claiming the Mirror inflated the figures by quoting a completely different set of figures, you absolute fucking butt monkey.

The ONS Report:

Deaths were 17,288 above the five-year average for deaths where the underlying cause of death was not COVID-19

The Mirror:

From May to December last year, there were 32,441 excess deaths in England and Wales, excluding deaths from Covid.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

For the last time, follow the data (use the cursor) on the ONS graph and you'll see the excess deaths per month. The Mirror has selected a portion that they want to use for their misleading narrative. They avoided April and previous months because those numbers don't fit the narrative. The fact is that old people became LESS healthy during COVID lockdowns. Notice that excess deaths increase around December each year. To understand any of this you have to look at the context. The Mirror doesn't want you to look at the context. They want you do click on the alarming, misleading report. You're a sucker.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

What do you feel is the narrative here that the Mirror is trying to push? Your mother is as pleasant as a hernia.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Zom - I know you were away for a while, but you've been here long enough to know my constant argument these past 2 years regarding right wing news media that specializes in misinformation (as the Mirror does, and has been sued by various people recently). There are much worse news companies spreading misinformation, but what the Mirror is doing with this article is something Carlson and others often do: mention a statistic that aligns with their previous 100s of comments that have pushed a particular agenda. The excess deaths argument, as well as the 'suddenly dead athlete' argument, are both suggestive of the COVID vaccine killing people. The target audiences reading this are well aware of it. The overall plan for right wing funding bodies is to develop audiences who distrust the government, democracy, liberal ideas, medicine, education, academics, etc, etc. Russian and Chinese funding bodies have helped with thes. Twitter will help with it by hiring Carlson. All of this manufactures consent that authoritarian leadership is the only option. It's helped elect authoritarian leaders in the US, Russia, China, Turkey, Brasil, India, the UK, &c. Funding bodies, PACS, and wealthy individuals have profited from this, with the increasing billionaires in recent years and the extreme income inequality. There is no longer a true middle class in much of the world. To hold onto that power, these wealthy groups must continue to destroy anything that distributes wealth or that is liberal. Spreading anti-vax claims also helped prolong COVID, which made the .01% much richer. This is what I've been arguing for over 2 years at Saidit.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

If the vaccine had not existed, would you give a shit about any of this? Surely you can see your own political bias towards the government propaganda, that you align with the vaccines despite a questionable outcome and even more questionable origins? The persistent criticism of media outlets comes across as denial, the inability to question any possibility that there may be negative outcomes of the past few years of major social changes that are unrelated to COVID infection? The Mirror by the way, is left wing.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I gave you a generaous explanation. As indicated in that explanation, the anti-vax disinformation is only part of the larger campaign.

The report about excess deaths was spread in April, and did not originate with the Mirror, which used it for clickbait. The BBC was one of the first to discuss those statistics, which were manipulated by right wing anti-vaxxers into a series of lies: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.33E97EQ

The Mirror is unethical. Right wing news media (and sites like Saidit) are using the recent Mirror report for their own purposes.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/office-for-national-statistics-wales-england-government-nhs-england-b1051971.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1758132/deaths-increase-junior-doctors-strike

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1769290/deaths-ONS-data-brits-covid-pandemic

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I agree you on the Mirror, they like most other news outlets are unethical. You should also know by now, I'm fond of a conspiracy theory and am distrustful of any authoritarian regime, be it government or corporate, and yet I'm more centrist than aligned to either left or right. Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe the left as being those who are more akin to protest, to distrust leadership, to fail to abide by simple social conduct and to become more anarchist in nature? From my own perspective, it would appear that those who are trying to control media narratives are feeding the left, not the right. Marxist organisations are free to break laws in riots and protests, but small center right movements are heavily condemned with arrests and fines for those associated with them.

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    [–]niggerjewfaggot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Do tell: are the 7 billion who've been vaccinated supposed to be bigots? Asking for 7 billion friends.

    [–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Microplastics in the food and water.