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[–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Mmm.

It's been said so many times before it's a cliche, but I'll repeat it anyway: that anger you're holding on to so desperately damages you more than those of us you attack. There are other centers around which to build an identity that don't have all the health problems associated with building your life around rage.

That said, I was going to offer you a second reply anyway, since you offered me two.

I realized that in my reply, I was missing an important point, to fill out my own position. In my above comment, I presented it as entirely neutral, but in full disclosure, I do have a preference for the Russian position. Forgetting all the propaganda on both sides, I look simply at a map. Based on the map and a little basic history, the land you guys are currently fighting in sits on Russia's borders and contains a population of largely ethnic Russians. The NBC reporter pointed out that in Crimea, people are quite happy living as Russians. This reporter is on "our" side, theoretically, though I doubt anyone will hire him again. The population in the Donbass also has a large proportion of ethnic Russians. As such, the Russians are fighting a fundamentally defensive war. They are fighting - in their view - to protect their own people. Can any of the countries of the west, pumping money into this war by the tens of billions, say the same? The motivation behind the west, as expressed most recently by the foreign minister of Canada, having been expressed by others as well:

“We’re able to see how much we’re isolating the Russian regime right now — because we need to do so economically, politically and diplomatically — and what are the impacts also on society, and how much we’re seeing potential regime change in Russia. The goal is definitely to do that, is to weaken Russia’s ability to launch very difficult attacks against Ukraine. We want also to make sure that Putin and his enablers are held to account.”

Ah, that wonderful phrase "regime change" pops its head up again. How many times has the west aimed for "regime change" in the past thirty years. Saddam is the bad guy! No, wait, it's Gaddafi! No, damn, it's Assad! The profound hubris of the collective west in their imposition through violence of their "western values" is frankly disgusting in its obvious nature. Said "western values" aren't looking so good in the middle east, the other place the collective west has stated with such confidence that their "just war" will solve the world's problems. The US occupies a large portion of Syrian territory. Was there ever ANY discussion of this move or even a justification? NONE. PURE LAW OF THE JUNGLE. THEY JUST TOOK IT. The region is in chaos, but who cares? There's another war to be fought! Now it's Putin's turn. This is cultural imperialism, it's the height of arrogance, and it's disgusting.

Has it dawned on you that the Russian population supports the war in Ukraine? Your belief that "Putin is Hitler" has you focused on "if we just get him and his cronies out, then puppies and kittens!" Sorry, with or without the propaganda that he and his government are pumping out (without a doubt), Russians are not going to tolerate western Ukrainians treating the Russian population in Ukraine as second-class citizens. I'm thinking particularly of the language laws put into place in early 2022 (https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine), just before the Russians invaded. That part of the world has been culturally connected to Russia for centuries. The brute-force elimination of such cultural connections goes way over Putin's head to Russian general cultural sensitivity.

But the western elites think they know better than the Russian population who should lead Russia. MmHm. That sounds profoundly undemocratic to me, but these are "ruzzians" we are talking about here, so who cares what they think?

That's the other piece in your replies that gets my hackles up. You wear your anti-Russian racism with pride. It's all the rage these days, right? I have been struck by the radical blindness of the western elites in their messaging in the past few years. Racism is bad! Oh, except for anti-Russian racism. That's good! Guess what? Racism is racism. You've just found a new target to throw your bile at. 100 years ago, it was blacks who were "okay" to hate. Now it's Russians. Here's an idea: why not NOT HATE ANYONE? You think you can do that?

It doesn't look like it.

In summary, your side claims to be bringing more "enlightened values" to each conflict you're engaged in. I read in your tone lots and lots of raw hatred. Where's the enlightenment in that, and why on Earth would I have any desire to support you in such a violent, hateful project?

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who the fuck are you typing all this rashist shit to

Ukraine doesn't defend itself just because of anger or hatred. Again, a slave kneeler like you wouldn't understand why patriots want to die standing on their own two feet