Surfer Kelly Slater: “It’s sad to see the celebrated division by the ‘virtuous’ vaccinated. If you’re vaccinated why are you concerned/worried about anyone else’s status … unless, of course, it doesn’t protect you? ... So much brainwashed hatred in people’s hearts regardless of vax status.”

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Indeed - let's just think about ourselves, rather than the potential spread of a virus. One of the outcomes of the "me me me" movement of the 1970s. But now the rich 'boomers' from that period are much more financially well off than the younger generations that have been left behind economically. So if you wonder what selfishness will get you in a society, look around.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you spreading the virus. It doesn't stop you catching the virus.

This is the problem the article is pointing out, there's a whole lot of silent assumptions in the pro-mandate crowd make which are just plain wrong.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you spreading the virus.

It does reduce the spread of the virus, because the more people who are vaccinated, the more people have antibodies to deal with it and are thus less likely to have it for long periods and thus less likely to spread the virus to others. This i show innfection numbers have reduced. Even those who believe in 'herd immunity' appreciate this. The less likely one is to suffer from the virus, the less likely one is to spread it, because they are contagious for a shorter period.

It doesn't stop you catching the virus.

Yes, you can still get the virus, but you are less likely to pass it on, for reasons noted above.

This is the problem the article is pointing out,

The article is misleading, for reasons I note here, among others.

there's a whole lot of silent assumptions in the pro-mandate crowd make which are just plain wrong.

I think the assumptions are not silent, but instead well documented in medical science research, testing, and billions of doses of vaccines, as well as reductions of infections between periods of new strains.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Why are you saying the infection rate has dropped when many countries are seeing their highest ever infection rates?

It might reduce the spread by a small about but in the real world that doesn't have much effect.

Most cases are caught in hospital, care homes, work, the family home where people are together for hours. Being 40% less infectious might make a difference when you are passing people on the street but in those situations it has next to no effect.

And let's face it we only had lockdowns and compulsory masks because zero symptomatic cases were supposed to be a major risk of spreading infection. So are you saying that was nonsense and those cases were actually no problem.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you saying the infection rate has dropped when many countries are seeing their highest ever infection rates?

Different countries get the highest levels at different times. See the graphs here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Select the country you want to see and there is a graph which shows a periodic reduction of the number of cases.

It might reduce the spread by a small about but in the real world that doesn't have much effect.

The opposite of this. (The spread has reduced significantly, whcih has allowed for the reopening of businesses. Where do you get your news and information? With respect, this is well known.)

Most cases are caught in hospital, care homes, work, the family home where people are together for hours. Being 40% less infectious might make a difference when you are passing people on the street but in those situations it has next to no effect.

Again - where would one learn false information like this? Most of the 352 million documented cases (millions undocumented) were not caught in the hospital, but instead in public areas.

And let's face it we only had lockdowns and compulsory masks because zero symptomatic cases were supposed to be a major risk of spreading infection.

No...

So are you saying that was nonsense and those cases were actually no problem.

No...

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just barely past the peak and "it's dropping". Two weeks ago it was the highest it's ever been. It's still very very high but it has gone down precipitously.