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[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I will note that the 70-79 age group has a 39.5 rate for double vaccinated, and a 59.5 rate for unvaccinated. So this shows some trend in the direction that the vaccine is working for that age group perhaps. But we've also heard instances of people who die from the vaccine itself, before 14 days have passed from getting it, being counted as "unvaccinated deaths".

So it's possible the OP has 1.8x death rate for the vaccinated group as a function of the fact that more older people have gotten it, and fewer younger people haven't. So the average age of the vaccinated person in the 10-59 category might be years older than the average unvaccinated person in the 10-59 group. This could lead to the 1.8x difference... maybe.

I still find all this very alarming. I really wish we had age specific data for like 20-29 year olds, that would be extremely helpful to help suss out what is going on here exactly. Having such a wide category of ages is not helping clarify the data.

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More countries also(unfortunately, I think israel most recently), include adverse events, including death within the first 14 days after vaccination, as being unvaccinated. I believe a professor at Yale found this actually through the billing and coding data of new York and rhode island. As in get the jab, get covid-19 like symptoms, get sick, ventilator, die, you then are included in the unvaccinated tally.

Israel has started to obfuscate it's data, I've heard UK may do the same. I wouldn't doubt there is pressure coming from the white house. They are really the last two bastions of actual open data for what's going on.

The UK bombshell a few weeks ago, where it was discovered that vaccinated had far fewer antibody counts and resistance to infections set off a lot of alarms.., not "we should slow this down alarm", but the "why are these guys publishing this alarm". That's my analysis, but there are several data sets that israel has stopped releasing, I believe Alex Berenson was complaining about this a while back

Recall that, prior to February of this year, there were few vaccinated. I think it actually started in January, but only for those over 60 or so. We already have a full year of data showing the median age of death is 78, those under 20 or so have minimal risk of that.

Just looking comparatively, October last year vs October this year, for covid-19 deaths, by WHO death count, there is very little effect on the overall death numbers, this with the US sitting at 70% ish vaccinated this October compared to last October.

There are a lot of conclusions you can draw about all of this, most of it is bad. I believe it is going to get worse, but I also don't believe any of this is about a virus.