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[–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I will put an addendum to this, that I have realized there is a possibility of a big age gap causing the mortality difference. For example if the average age of a vaccinated person in the 10-59 age group is 45 and the average age of an unvaccinated person in the 10-59 age group is 20, for example, this would account for the difference.

But I'm not sure what the actual age difference is, or how much that accounts for the increased death rate. That's also not the reason the reuters article mentioned for the increase... which is odd.

Anyway, this is the possible caveat that would make this not a smoking gun, I have realized. But I still think this is super important and deserves more investigation.

[–]StillLessons 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've come as close as I've seen so far to getting at the meat of this question. With several recent stories proclaiming ERs around the country (and in Europe as well) slammed with "non-covid" patients, my first question every time has been if anyone is tracking those patient loads by vaccine status. Assuming what you have is right and the medical community wakes up to what is going on, the terrifying "Oh, SHIT!" people are about to wake up to when they figure it out is going to be unprecedented. I wouldn't want to be any of the talking heads who have staked their names on this shit if that happens.

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Am I missing something? If this is correct, which it looks like it probably is, then it should set off serious alarm bells! This is the smoking gun of all smoking guns... the numbers are in, here they are.

[–]zyxzevn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is very similar in other countries, if they leak some of the data.
In all countries with high injection rates, the hospitalized cases go up after a certain time. More than the countries around them.
Technically I think they killed off the weak people with the injections. They got good numbers in the beginning, because they started counting as vaxed after a few weeks. After more time the negative effect of the injections weight in.

The negative effect:
It could be Antibody Dependent Enhancement, as we saw in so many animal studies and variant creation (as described by Bossche)
The side-effects can also be misdiagnosed as covid, but without the lung-infection.

One of the major side-effects is damage of the immune system. This is caused by 3 factors:
1. The spike-protein attacks the cells that are part of the immune system.
2. The mRNA/DNA in the cells trigger auto-immunity.
3. The trick with which mRNA gets into the cells disables one part of the immune system.

Here I made an article how these experimental injections cause damage

[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I will note that the 70-79 age group has a 39.5 rate for double vaccinated, and a 59.5 rate for unvaccinated. So this shows some trend in the direction that the vaccine is working for that age group perhaps. But we've also heard instances of people who die from the vaccine itself, before 14 days have passed from getting it, being counted as "unvaccinated deaths".

So it's possible the OP has 1.8x death rate for the vaccinated group as a function of the fact that more older people have gotten it, and fewer younger people haven't. So the average age of the vaccinated person in the 10-59 category might be years older than the average unvaccinated person in the 10-59 group. This could lead to the 1.8x difference... maybe.

I still find all this very alarming. I really wish we had age specific data for like 20-29 year olds, that would be extremely helpful to help suss out what is going on here exactly. Having such a wide category of ages is not helping clarify the data.

[–]jamesK_3rd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More countries also(unfortunately, I think israel most recently), include adverse events, including death within the first 14 days after vaccination, as being unvaccinated. I believe a professor at Yale found this actually through the billing and coding data of new York and rhode island. As in get the jab, get covid-19 like symptoms, get sick, ventilator, die, you then are included in the unvaccinated tally.

Israel has started to obfuscate it's data, I've heard UK may do the same. I wouldn't doubt there is pressure coming from the white house. They are really the last two bastions of actual open data for what's going on.

The UK bombshell a few weeks ago, where it was discovered that vaccinated had far fewer antibody counts and resistance to infections set off a lot of alarms.., not "we should slow this down alarm", but the "why are these guys publishing this alarm". That's my analysis, but there are several data sets that israel has stopped releasing, I believe Alex Berenson was complaining about this a while back

Recall that, prior to February of this year, there were few vaccinated. I think it actually started in January, but only for those over 60 or so. We already have a full year of data showing the median age of death is 78, those under 20 or so have minimal risk of that.

Just looking comparatively, October last year vs October this year, for covid-19 deaths, by WHO death count, there is very little effect on the overall death numbers, this with the US sitting at 70% ish vaccinated this October compared to last October.

There are a lot of conclusions you can draw about all of this, most of it is bad. I believe it is going to get worse, but I also don't believe any of this is about a virus.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

[–]Pis-dur 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Exactly, data means nothing when one cannot read it carefully.
Why your post is false /u/magnora7 - Let's make an example:
you have 90% people vaccinated and 10% not
10% of vaccinated die due to covid, it makes 10% of 90% of population, so 9% of whole population dies.
90% of unvaccinated die due to covid. 90% of 10% ddies, so 9% of whole population dies.
Overally, 18% dies. 9% of deaths are unvaccinated, 9% deaths are vaccinated. That's where antivaxers shout and spread their fake news.
But having in mind, that vaccinated people make 90% of whole population, everything changes.
Vaccines work, if you want it or not.
Here is Singapore, for example: https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics - look at „Proportion (%) of cases who died, by age and vaccination status”

[–]NeedMoreCoffee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's been my biggest growing frustration of the past years that people on the internet argue and post statistics and research papers when they do not understand what is being said at all. It's like arguing with teenagers as they call you a moron eventhough it's them not understanding what is happening.

Covid just made it more clear that most people can not interpret raw data or understand the context and nuance of research papers.

[–]Pis-dur 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, and we, who more or less understand it, are here to help our society with understanding it :)

[–]Yin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Globalist pharma "data" makes junk political polling look like precise rocket science.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

This appears to be mathematical evidence, rather than scientific evidence, of deathrates among those vaccinated in the 10-59 age group. It's very good maths. Most people in this younger catagory received by July the vaccine because they were at risk (overweight, other health problems), accoridng to their general practicioner (GP) and thus NHS called those people to arrange vaccines, and after July, called those not at risk who were over 55. As I read table 4, I see that there are lower death rates for all ages, somewhat after the 1st dose, and especially after the 2nd dose (a major difference). Scientific studies (examining at least 3 different groups) have noted that this difference in death rates, calculated according to risk, in several countries is as much as 90% (unvac vs. vac risk): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/11/french-study-vaccines-cut-covid-deaths

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

why do you think they only recommended it for the old at first, because they knew it was deadly the younger someone is

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

because they knew it was deadly the younger someone is

IDK - but respectfully, Popper: this is not what the data reveals about the death rates. If for example you look at table 4, you'll see much much higher numers in the older age categories, which for over a year right-wing news media has been claiming would have died anyway, as if this is an expendable portion of the population; and this also comes from church-going people in the US who seem to have missed entirely the sermons that included Christ's comments and are instead channeling books of Job, Isaiah, Judges, Numbers, Jeremiah, and Leviticus

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and this also comes from church-going people in the US

Don't forget they believe when you die you go to heaven. Go to heaven already, grandpa! I'm tired of changing your diapers.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is a lesson in Archaeological discussions that: if the human race were wiped out, and 1000 years later others would arrive from another planet, see the Christ on cross imagery, and translate some of the text about Heaven &c, they'd likely think Christainty was a 2000 year-old cult that sacrificed people on crosses so that they could get to the afterlife. At least in Soylent Green the old people became food. In any event, I think it's terrible practice to sacrifice people. They're also not tasty, or so I've read.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

what do you mean by that religious stuff

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is a surprising number of evangelist church groups that have been actively spread ing COVID19 because they refuse to wear masks, take vaccines, social distance &c. Those people are literally a plague on society. Many of them claim that old people and others listed as dying of COVID19 actually die of other problems, and that the pastor of the Church is the ONLY one to believe regarding the history and treatment of viruses. Regarding New and Old Testaments:

In the New Testament, Jesus healed “every disease and every sickness,” as well as plagues in the areas He visited (Matthew 9:35; 10:1; Mark 3:10). Just as God chose to use plagues and disease to show His power to the Israelites, Jesus healed as an exhibition of the same power to verify that He was truly the Son of God. He gave the same healing power to the disciples to verify their ministry (Luke 9:1). God still allows sickness for His own purposes, but sometimes disease, even worldwide pandemics, are simply the result of living in a fallen world. There is no way to determine whether or not a pandemic has a specific spiritual cause, but we do know that God has sovereign control over all things (Romans 11:36) and will work all things together for the good of those who know and love Him (Romans 8:28). source

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jesus was definitely a healer, probably used herbs and maybe even marijuana to heal people, helps explain why he had such a following. Witches got burned for such things later.

The vaccine mainly causes problems for young people because they tend to be more active than old people and it puts more of a strain on their hearts.

[–]cisheteroscum 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have to say that its kind of blackpilling the elites are getting away with this extremely obvious and heinous farce and nothing is really being done. You have to wonder what its going to take and how bad things will have to get before we get a serious reaction

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it is dishearening, I agree. But I also think they're deliberately tanking things with the intent of causing a revolution, and then they will control the revolution. But post-revolution, life will be pretty good, in order to imprint the positivity of a new semi-global system. Then after a decade or two, it will deteriorate and become authoritarian, and then someday that will collapse as well.

Just keep riding the waves of culture and someday things will get good again, probably in 5-10 years, I'd think. I don't know what is going to happen in the meantime though. Just be sure to have enough essentials on hand for a few months of living, if the supply chains have serious problems. I think that will be the actual main hurdle for most people, if it is to occur

[–]Heterophobe4Life 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Trust the science," they said. Science is now a bigger cult than religion.

[–]Entropick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Someone(thing) must truly, absolutely, passionately, hate us.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The past couple of years have brought me far closer to believing that there is a Satan. Satan's existence would make what we're witnessing make a lot more sense.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"It also shows those who got a second dose were also more likely to die than those who got only one" Erm.. your own post, right there, says 1st dose av 2.41 per 100k, while 2 dose av 2.18 per 100k.

So it's actually 1 dose that's most deadly - I guess those who die or had a bad reaction don't go back for a 2nd dose.

My first and immediate reaction to these figures is that 'Well yeah, the elderly and vulnerable were vaxxed, and we'd expect them to die more than the young and healthy..." but that train left the station a long time ago. Many young and healthy people, the MAJORITY of such people in the UK, are now vaxxed. So when the results are per 100,000 people we cannot keep on forever claiming 'Well they're the old and frail".

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Erm.. your own post, right there, says 1st dose av 2.41 per 100k, while 2 dose av 2.18 per 100k.

It says the opposite please read more carefully. Perhaps they're in a confusing order in my post or something, but you've switched the numbers for 1st dose and 2 dose in your comment here.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ooer, you put unvaxxed, 2 stabs and then 21 days after 1 stab?

Hokay....

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was how the data was organized... I guess I could've done it better but that's very much aside from the point being discussed here

[–]aaarrgh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the jab is bad for health.