FRANCE IN EXTREME DANGER : The actual situation in France, the latest news and what you can do to help us If you like

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So which form of authoritarianism do you prefer? (The post complains of the dictatorship of Macron.)

In any event, at least many in the democracy of France appreciate the importance of the vaccine. Those who don't like democracies can move to China, Russia, Turkey, Belarus, and any number of other authoritarian shitholes.

[–]Gravi 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Well I would prefer the authoritarianism that Ulmanis had, but that'd be impossible today. I see that you like the vaccine and well, fine, like it, what do I care? I don't trust it and nor am I going to vaccinate, rather catch it in the wild, I have one of the highest chances of catching it in my apartment anyway.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for the info on Ulmanis, whom I've now read about. It seems that there were economic benefits of his leadership, though there were also substantial restrictions on the press and other activities. I know of a famous Jewish philosopher who grew up in Latvia in the 1930s, emigrating to England thereafter, and had opportunities in England he would never have had in Latvia. In any event, Ulmanis is an interesting example of a dictator (getting only 17% of the vote) who was not as bad as many other dictators.

I don't think any of us have to like the vaccine. It's ONLY important as a way of reducing the impact of COVID19 on your body - were you to get it - and reducing the spread of COVID19 to others. Thus it's like the polio vaccine. We take it - not because we like vaccines - but because we would wish to reduce the impact of COVID19 on ourselves and others.

[–]la_cues 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are way bigger problems with vaccines related to: the corporate entities who can't be sued (in the states), their nature to profit seek, the lack of or limited testing (especially long term), the adjuvants and aluminum, and the "schedule" that is pushed, especially for children in the first few days of life.

Here is a great podcast on the issue, Del Bigtree on the Higherside Chats. Of course, there is plenty more info on the Higherside and elsewhere.

I am worried that the "covid vaccine" hype is starting to overshadow how bad the vaccine industry is as a whole, and as a process.

Maybe the science of vaccines is not so bad, but it's being carried out in a bad way, by bad players.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe the science of vaccines is not so bad, but it's being carried out in a bad way, by bad players.

Yes - this is especially true in India, where there have been active scams.

Though there are also problems in so-called 1st world countries, the regulations and testing of vaccines are much better. Another problem is the difficulty of getting news of legitimate problems with the vaccines, amidst the massive amount of disinformaiton spread to a large portion of the world's populations. In India, for example, millions of WhatsApp users have been persuaded to believe disinformation about vaccines, even though they do not understand the sources of that information. The solution in rural areas has been to pay teams to deliver vaccines, while also paying villagers to take the vaccines. Initially, nurses would go to villages and wait in empty offices. Now that there are payments, many villagers are happy to take the jabs. This is perhaps not true for all villages, but it's already understood as a useful approach, thanks already to the Gates Foundation NGOs in the area in recent decades (which have provided free healthcare for mothers). Most Indians appear not to be skeptical of science, and many want their kids to be doctors or engineers, but they are naturally skeptical of politics and scan artists.

Not that you wanted to know any of this, but I hope it offers a different perspective.