Alien's Are Killing Humans While Planning Global Reveal That They're Our God.

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[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So, you question that Jesus ever existed? Well, then, you'll have to take that up with the Roman Governor and the administrators of Roman Conquered Judea (Israel) who kept immaculate and extremely accurate records of all those things important to the Empire (and believe me! A guy running around saying he's the King of the Jews in Roman controlled Israel is no small thing!) From there you'd have to prove that He didn't exist to all of the literally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist. You vs all those people who know. Who do you think would win that argument?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So, you question that Jesus ever existed?

Sure. The historical evidence is pretty weak. There's no evidence from primary sources. (People who met him). There's no evidence from secondary sources (People who met people who met him).

Well, then, you'll have to take that up with the Roman Governor and the administrators of Roman Conquered Judea (Israel) who kept immaculate and extremely accurate records of all those things important to the Empire (and believe me! A guy running around saying he's the King of the Jews in Roman controlled Israel is no small thing!)

Interesting that they didn't mention him then isn't it.

Tacitus who was born 25 years after the claimed death of Jesus is the first non-christian source that mentioned Jesus. But he doesn't reference his source, and since he go the rank of Pilate wrong, it's not believed to be from official Roman records. More likely his information was from the Christians at the time.

Basically the Roman sources are very weak.

From there you'd have to prove that He didn't exist to all of the literally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist.

Archaeological evidence of Jesus?

Like what? Some really really miraculously constructed wooden shelves?

You vs all those people who know. Who do you think would win that argument?

Well I am here. Who are one of all these thousands of people who know? And in particular what is there evidence?

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

For proof of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth I usually use non-christian sources since they tend to be both highly accurate and highly detailed, providing that they're not from an equally religious Atheist site. (Yes, atheism is a religion.) Now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just some asshole kid who's trolling me and, even though I know there's an excellent chance of that being the case, I'm still going to present a taste of evidence to you. It's up to you to read and take it with as equally an open mind as I'm offering it and for you to decide for yourself but know this: whether or not you know Jesus existed or not will most likely not change your life in the slightest but you never know. https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence https://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/science/scientific-insights/did-jesus-of-nazareth-actually-exist-the-evidence-says-yes/ https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real?rebelltitem=10#rebelltitem10 https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/does-proof-of-jesus-other-than-in-the-bible-exist.html "The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source. Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd argue that it is "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus." http://web.tusculum.edu/church/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Sources-for-the-Historical-Jesus-Research.pdf https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/opinion-a-variety-of-non-christian-historical-sources-support-the-idea-that-jesus-rose-from-the-dead-4598263-Apr2019/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus https://www.alisachilders.com/blog/10-historical-facts-about-jesus-from-non-christian-sources That should get you started. Now, since I was decent enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and to provide you with some sources to read, I expect you to treat this and me with equal decency and respect. Now, please don't be a total ass and prove me wrong about taking up your challenge.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, atheism is a religion.

Interesting. Is abstinence a sex position?

Lets take your first link first: https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence

Have you read this link?

Above you claim: "[Y]ou'd have to prove that He didn't exist to all of the literally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist."

Yet your link has the heading: Archaeological evidence of Jesus does not exist.

While some disputed the existence of ancient Nazareth, his biblical childhood home town, archaeologists have unearthed a rock-hewn courtyard house along with tombs and a cistern.

The link goes on to describe a house of which the archaeologist Ken Dark says: "although the evidence can’t prove Jesus grew up in the house, it does suggest it’s possible."

That's not evidence of Jesus. It's evidence of a house.

They have also found physical evidence of Roman crucifixions such as that of Jesus described in the New Testament.

Yes. For serious crimes such as insurrection, the Romans did execute people by crucifixion. That's not evidence of Jesus. That's evidence of crucifixion.

The Romans would not have crucified thieves. So the story of his conversation with the thieves also being crucified with him are implausible. This isn't evidence against Jesus, but it shows that the story in the New Testament is, at least in part, false.

We should go through the rest of your links, but for the points you make yourself:

"The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source. Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd argue that it is "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

This is not proof of truth for the reasons I outline above. Tacitus doesn't reference his source, so the claim that it is independent is speculative. Since he got the rank of Pilate wrong, it's not from a reliable roman source.

The view that he is reporting heresay is quite plausible.

That should get you started. Now, since I was decent enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and to provide you with some sources to read, I expect you to treat this and me with equal decency and respect.

Can you see why a person would see no compelling evidence for the historicity of Jesus at that link? There's a house, and we know there were houses at the time. Nothing ties it to Jesus. There's crucifixions, and we knew there were crucifixions at the time. Nothing ties them to Jesus. The point that there is no archaeological evidence is reaffirmed.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"No amount of evidence will convince an idiot" -- Mark Twain.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now, since I was decent enough to read the sources you provide, I expect you to treat this and me with equal decency and respect.

Your first link has the heading: Archaeological evidence of Jesus does not exist.

This contradicts your claim that "[L]iterally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist." Doesn't it?

You're saying that the archaeological evidence amounts to proof, and that there are literally thousands of instances of this proof. Your links says that there is literally no archaeological evidence.

There's a disagreement there.