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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Do not take the vaccine, their plan is to turn humans into synthetic organisms that can no longer feel god, like a dimmer switch for your soul.

No mate. The vaccine stimulates an immune response to the spike proteins on the COVID virus.

I am Christian, I believe in Jesus.

Do you? I question his historicity.

Certainly not all the parts of the story rings true. The Romans had censuses, but they only counted roman citizens, not Palestinians. And in no census ever do you have to return to your place of birth. The whole idea of a census is that you find out where the people are now, so that you can plan.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So, you question that Jesus ever existed? Well, then, you'll have to take that up with the Roman Governor and the administrators of Roman Conquered Judea (Israel) who kept immaculate and extremely accurate records of all those things important to the Empire (and believe me! A guy running around saying he's the King of the Jews in Roman controlled Israel is no small thing!) From there you'd have to prove that He didn't exist to all of the literally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist. You vs all those people who know. Who do you think would win that argument?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So, you question that Jesus ever existed?

Sure. The historical evidence is pretty weak. There's no evidence from primary sources. (People who met him). There's no evidence from secondary sources (People who met people who met him).

Well, then, you'll have to take that up with the Roman Governor and the administrators of Roman Conquered Judea (Israel) who kept immaculate and extremely accurate records of all those things important to the Empire (and believe me! A guy running around saying he's the King of the Jews in Roman controlled Israel is no small thing!)

Interesting that they didn't mention him then isn't it.

Tacitus who was born 25 years after the claimed death of Jesus is the first non-christian source that mentioned Jesus. But he doesn't reference his source, and since he go the rank of Pilate wrong, it's not believed to be from official Roman records. More likely his information was from the Christians at the time.

Basically the Roman sources are very weak.

From there you'd have to prove that He didn't exist to all of the literally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist.

Archaeological evidence of Jesus?

Like what? Some really really miraculously constructed wooden shelves?

You vs all those people who know. Who do you think would win that argument?

Well I am here. Who are one of all these thousands of people who know? And in particular what is there evidence?

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

For proof of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth I usually use non-christian sources since they tend to be both highly accurate and highly detailed, providing that they're not from an equally religious Atheist site. (Yes, atheism is a religion.) Now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just some asshole kid who's trolling me and, even though I know there's an excellent chance of that being the case, I'm still going to present a taste of evidence to you. It's up to you to read and take it with as equally an open mind as I'm offering it and for you to decide for yourself but know this: whether or not you know Jesus existed or not will most likely not change your life in the slightest but you never know. https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence https://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/science/scientific-insights/did-jesus-of-nazareth-actually-exist-the-evidence-says-yes/ https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real?rebelltitem=10#rebelltitem10 https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/does-proof-of-jesus-other-than-in-the-bible-exist.html "The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source. Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd argue that it is "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus." http://web.tusculum.edu/church/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Sources-for-the-Historical-Jesus-Research.pdf https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/opinion-a-variety-of-non-christian-historical-sources-support-the-idea-that-jesus-rose-from-the-dead-4598263-Apr2019/ https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus https://www.alisachilders.com/blog/10-historical-facts-about-jesus-from-non-christian-sources That should get you started. Now, since I was decent enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and to provide you with some sources to read, I expect you to treat this and me with equal decency and respect. Now, please don't be a total ass and prove me wrong about taking up your challenge.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, atheism is a religion.

Interesting. Is abstinence a sex position?

Lets take your first link first: https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence

Have you read this link?

Above you claim: "[Y]ou'd have to prove that He didn't exist to all of the literally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist."

Yet your link has the heading: Archaeological evidence of Jesus does not exist.

While some disputed the existence of ancient Nazareth, his biblical childhood home town, archaeologists have unearthed a rock-hewn courtyard house along with tombs and a cistern.

The link goes on to describe a house of which the archaeologist Ken Dark says: "although the evidence can’t prove Jesus grew up in the house, it does suggest it’s possible."

That's not evidence of Jesus. It's evidence of a house.

They have also found physical evidence of Roman crucifixions such as that of Jesus described in the New Testament.

Yes. For serious crimes such as insurrection, the Romans did execute people by crucifixion. That's not evidence of Jesus. That's evidence of crucifixion.

The Romans would not have crucified thieves. So the story of his conversation with the thieves also being crucified with him are implausible. This isn't evidence against Jesus, but it shows that the story in the New Testament is, at least in part, false.

We should go through the rest of your links, but for the points you make yourself:

"The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source. Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd argue that it is "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

This is not proof of truth for the reasons I outline above. Tacitus doesn't reference his source, so the claim that it is independent is speculative. Since he got the rank of Pilate wrong, it's not from a reliable roman source.

The view that he is reporting heresay is quite plausible.

That should get you started. Now, since I was decent enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and to provide you with some sources to read, I expect you to treat this and me with equal decency and respect.

Can you see why a person would see no compelling evidence for the historicity of Jesus at that link? There's a house, and we know there were houses at the time. Nothing ties it to Jesus. There's crucifixions, and we knew there were crucifixions at the time. Nothing ties them to Jesus. The point that there is no archaeological evidence is reaffirmed.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"No amount of evidence will convince an idiot" -- Mark Twain.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now, since I was decent enough to read the sources you provide, I expect you to treat this and me with equal decency and respect.

Your first link has the heading: Archaeological evidence of Jesus does not exist.

This contradicts your claim that "[L]iterally thousands of archeologists who, since 1799, have proven time and again that He did exist." Doesn't it?

You're saying that the archaeological evidence amounts to proof, and that there are literally thousands of instances of this proof. Your links says that there is literally no archaeological evidence.

There's a disagreement there.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Roman census was set up to count the number of Military Age Eligible Men within the boundaries of the Empire so they'd know who they could call on in time of need of their military service but, being the nitpickers they were, they also included the names, ages, birthplaces of the women and children as well. Also, and unlike other empires and kingdoms of the time, the Romans had a unique practice whereby they would conquer a land and, instead of enslaving the populations, basically let the nation rule itself so long as it remained under Roman Reign and those people agreed to give Military Service to Rome. This is why so there were so many non-Romans in the Roman army, especially during the last four hundred years of the Empire's existence before it finally fell when Rome was sacked by Barbarians between 395 and 410 A.D. (The actual year of Rome's collapse has been in scholarly dispute for two hundred years, which is why I put an approximate rather than a fixed date.)

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Roman census was set up to count the number of Military Age Eligible Men within the boundaries of the Empire so they'd know who they could call on in time of need of their military service but, being the nitpickers they were, they also included the names, ages, birthplaces of the women and children as well.

Yes Romans did censuses. Probably started by Servius Tullius in the 6th century BC. But they're documented.

The problem with the Christian story, is that there was no single census of the entire empire under Augustus.

There was a census of Judea upon the imposition of direct Roman rule in 6 CE. The Census of Quirinius

However, no Roman census required people to travel from their own homes to those of distant ancestors, and the census of Judea would not have affected Joseph and his family, living in Galilee.

And the details are historically mixed up. Luke uses the Census of Quirinius to get Jesus (of Nazareth) to Bethlehem for his birth to meet the (claimed) prophesy of where the Jewish messiah would be born. But Mathew says that Jesus' birth was during the reign of Herod the Great, who died 9 years before the census of Quirinius.

Scholars tend to be of the opinion that it was Luke that was wrong, but I find it plausible that the whole thing was just made up out of whole-cloth.

[–]carn0ld03 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So... basically, the public rise of satanism.

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I am happy to double upvote your comment so that the garbage spewed by the shill beneath this post can be snuffed out. Satanism it is. It is being pushed all around us. I also agree with OP, do not take the experimental jab.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think you got this story incomplete. In the end the aliens die of earth-evolved germs.

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm also a Christian and I'm rejoicing and quite happy about all that's going on because what I'm seeing is that almost all of God's prophecies have been fulfilled! Hallelujah! Praise God! Yep, it won't be much longer before the return of our mighty Lord and Savior who will Slay the wicked with the sword of His Mouth! Yep! It looks like we're going to be seeing the return of Christ Jesus within our lifetimes! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE GOD!

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On another note: It should be noted that "abortion" is nothing more than child sacrifice to the demon Moloch.