Merck Scraps COVID Vaccines; Says It’s More Effective To Get The Virus And Recover – Summit News

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This could be said of most, if not all, of the current vaccines on the market.

[–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The entire point of a vaccine is to avoid the hazards of the actual virus. It's true that if you're under 50, your odds of getting hospitalized because of this virus are low, and the risk of death is negligible (~0.02% for adults in the 20-49 range according to the CDC), but the vaccine still helps you avoid the symptoms and reduces the risk of a severe infection to almost nil.

And that's just younger people. If you're over 50 the fatality rate really starts picking up. About 5% of those 50-69 that contract it will end up hospitalized, and around 0.5% will die. Of those 70+, around 20% of those that contract it will end up in the hospital. 5.4% of those that contract it will die. Intentionally getting infected would be insane for those people. The vaccine is saving a lot of lives here.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

But we must also remember that the FDA didn't do Phase III testing on the elderly with this vaccine, so we have no idea what the adverse reaction rate in the elderly is.

Originally ventilator use was common to combat covid, but it was figured out eventually that it was killing more people than it was saving.

I just hope that the negative reaction rate in the elderly is lower than the covid rates themselves. I hope the cure isn't worse than the disease. But we'll know in a few months or years I guess... I'm certainly going to wait until more evidence comes in before I take it myself.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They did do testing on seniors in their Phase III trials, but you're right in that there wasn't sufficient focus on the results for the most elderly that are at the highest risk.

"Of the 21,720 people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine rather than the placebo in its phase 3 trial, 7,971 or 37% were over age 55. Pfizer’s study did not include a breakout for those 65 and older. In the Moderna phase 3 trial, of the 15,181 volunteers given the vaccine rather than the placebo, 3,763 or 25 percent were older than 65." The quote was taken from this article about the widespread deployment of vaccines to Florida's senior population

And it's also worth mentioning this paper - Efficacy and safety of COVID-19 vaccines in older people

With regards to the concern about rates of adverse reactions to the vaccines, widespread inoculation started back in December, and many of those vaccines went to elderly people. If the elderly were reacting poorly to it, we would have heard about it by now.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If the elderly were reacting poorly to it, we would have heard about it by now.

Not if those happenings are being under-reported, downplayed, or silenced entirely.

But you're right it's obviously not super terrible or we'd know by now. I do think a country or two has cancelled the mRNA vaccine though and are instead going to do the traditional-style vaccine that Russia developed

[–]Bigs 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I thought the Russian version was a traditional type but have since learned it is also a DNA thing (possibly DNA rather than RNA or wotnot, I dunno)

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh really, any link on that? Sounds interesting

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Seems it uses a common cold virus 'vector' to insert DNA into cells or wotnot? I dunno *shrugs

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Didn't one of the Scandinavian countries recently declare they were going to stop giving the rna vaccines to the elderly, as they were having too many bad outcomes?

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If so, that's news to me. I would have figured /s/Coronavirus would be celebrating if something like that happened, but none of the top articles from the last month seem to mention anything about it. Where did you hear that?