France will begin labeling electronics with repairability ratings in January

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[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

Right to repair!

France also has a law where consumer products must display the expected number of years that product will last, to combat planned obsolescence.

Both these things are fantastic ideas that I wish more countries would adopt. This helps protect the consumer and ensure an honest marketplace where people aren't being tricked by misleading products, as well as reducing waste.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Agreed!

I also know that somewhere there are clear concise red/yellow/green traffic light health labels on food too. I'd love to see those applied in Canada and the USA, but they depend on most of us not bothering to read the complex tiny labels and remaining unhealthy and perpetually dependent on the "health"care systems.

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    [–]LesbianOutlaw 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    That’s what the nutrition label is for.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    My point is that the nutrition label should be clear and simple first for the masses and visually impaired, and of course, also include the details for those who want to know. Canada and the US don't bother making it simple. It's clear corporations don't want us healthy.

    Only in the last 2 years have I started having a problem reading small text. I recently just turned 50. I can't believe I'm even 40. I don't think about it much, so when the number comes up it seems very unfamiliar. In my mind I'm still a sexy 35 year old, but now wiser.

    [–]UnexpectedTransmissi 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    I agree it sounds like a good idea... but I really don't see this problem in my life. My car is a 2005, my laptop is almost 6 years old... my phone 3+ years old (good considering I haven't changed the battery).

    I don't think companies whose products die early last very long.

    [–]bobbobbybob 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

    your laptop is almost 6 years old.... and you think that is old.

    Because you have no idea what real longevity looks like.

    your car is 15 years old. Yay. Mine is 19 years old, and I should get 10 more years out of it.... That's not good. They could be built to LAST, not decades, but the better part of centuries.

    Light bulbs? They could last human lifetimes. Batteries? they could last generations.

    I have tools made in the 19th century, and they are some of the best (non electric) tools I own. Why is that?

    The engineering discipline of 'optimization', where cents are shaved off each component of a device, is a major driver in the lifetime of modern equipment, with a careful balance between warranty length and time to failure.

    I'd prefer a return to over engineering.

    [–]johnnybravo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Cars last really well in western countries where you have good roads. My car is a 2016 and has done 72k km on brutal, harsh Indian roads. The suspension squeaks every time I hit a speed bump, and the tie rod end bushings are really worn. The entire car rattles, although there is nothing major. The front bumper sometimes kisses the road on weird roads. Engine, gearbox, electricals though, are in great shape. Battery is good as ever. Brakes are awesome. The showroom guy told me I need to replace my pads in like 2500 km, it has been 4000 km since then and the brakes don't squeak. If cared for it could easily last like 25 years but I don't think it will make it past 15 without being a ship of Theseus.

    [–]UnexpectedTransmissi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I have tools made in the 19th century, and they are some of the best (non electric) tools I own. Why is that?

    Because the simple inventions are the low hanging technology and they generally have few moving parts.

    Most people don't want a car that lasts forever, they want ones with the latest and greatest features.

    My biggest gripe with these kinds of complaints is, well, if longevity is so important to people, go start a company and sell cars and lightbulbs that last 1000000 uses... And you'll be a zillionaire. Just give me 10% ok?

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Indeed, the capitalist model does not create longevity.

    [–]UnexpectedTransmissi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    At least it creates.

    [–]Trajan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Batteries rely on chemical reactions that naturally degrade with use. Sure, with simpler batteries you could replace plates and acid, but the kinds of batteries that power electronics simply can’t work that way. That said, the ability to replace cells should be possible, yet has to consider the dangers of making cells easily accessible. Inexperienced people should not have easy access to Lithium-based cells.

    [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    the stress there is between weight, volume and performance. We can build batteries with less tight tolerances that experience longer lifetimes.

    [–]Trajan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Sure, yet that can’t overcome the inherent limitations of the technology. These batteries can’t survive generations, at least not with useable energy density. The best we can do is to require manufacturers of devices to not make it unnecessarily difficult to replace cells while balancing this with the need for safety and function.

    I’ve a laptop from 98 that has cells in a sealed plastic battery pack. That battery could have been screwed shut, as opposed to glued. If screwed then I could have more easily replaced the cells. It can’t simply be designed to pop open as that would be dangerous to uniformed users.

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    truth