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"We Can't Be Blackmailed": Hungary & Poland Threaten To Veto EU Stimulus Package
submitted 3 years ago by Drewski from zerohedge.com
[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (21 children)
I'd feel a lot better about anti-abortion laws if anyone in favor of them actually cared about the child after birth.
[–]ReeferMadness 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (6 children)
So your entire view of this isn't about the lives of the babies, or the morality of murdering unwanted children, but about whether the other side pays a high price for what they want. That is really some of the most despicable politics I ever heard.
It is very easy to not have kids. The pregnant women are not victims. Rape and incest are a tiny minority of abortions. It's simply unreponisble, self absorbed sluts fixing their mistakes with murder.
But in your world the murder is fine because those who are against the murder aren't forced to take care of those kids instead of the people who made them. This is simply nutts.
It makes absolutely no sense to judge the validity of an argument by your perception of the altruism of the speaker.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (5 children)
I believe abortion is morally wrong. I didn't mean to give the impression I believed otherwise. I also believe we can, and should, do more to support unwanted children.
It's simply unreponisble, self absorbed sluts fixing their mistakes with murder.
You do like fucking don't you? General Patton famously said he didn't trust a man who won't fuck. Then he had his staff strip topless and oil themselves. Strange man.
Anyways, sometimes fucking produces a baby. It's not that the woman is an uberslut. I don't know why'd you single out the woman when it takes two to tango. That seems like an unhealthy attitude tbh.
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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (1 child)
Your entire reasoning is based off of money, and so is the reasoning of most people who get abortions. This is a travesty.
[–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (1 child)
I don't know why'd you single out the woman when it takes two to tango. That seems like an unhealthy attitude tbh
Because the guy doesn't have a say in what happens. The girl decides if the baby is aborted, given away, or if she collects child support from the father.
I fully support forcing the father to pay child support.
Anyways, sometimes fucking produces a baby.
Birth control exists. Self control exists. Oral exists. Babies are in no way inevitable.
I also believe we can, and should, do more to support unwanted children.
But that is a separate topic and you conflated them. You made the claim that the argument against abortion is diminished because you don't think the people who fight against abortion are doing enough for needy kids. That is illogical.
And while I agree that CPS needs major reform and more funding, how that would need to be done is a huge and complex topic on its own.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
But that is a separate topic and you conflated them. You made the claim that the argument against abortion is diminished because you don't think the people who fight against abortion are doing enough for needy kids. That is illogical
I am saying that's an incredibly common complaint against pro-Lifers, it doesn't need to be logical for people to believe it.
[–]Drewski[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (3 children)
What makes you think people who are against abortion don't care about children after birth?
[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (2 children)
Here in Texas a lot of people are against abortion, but after the kid is born they don't give af. There's no financial support. We've even cut school lunches for low income families over the years. There's not a good support system for these unwanted pregnancies.
[–]Carnate 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (1 child)
Correct they believe that the parents raise their kids, not the government. We're not buying their lunches, shoes, or their first car.
[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (0 children)
Car aside, refusing to feed or clothe the poor never seemed particularly Christian to me. In my area we spent $70 million on a new high school football stadium but cut school lunch funding for low income children that cost, in comparison, a paltry quarter mil for the entire state.
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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (8 children)
How so?
[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (7 children)
Plenty of people who are against abortion also give their lives to assisting the poor. Sorry that you are surrounded by lukewarm christians.
Also, I'm anti-abortion, and I'm not christian, and if it were up to me, we would feed and clothe the poor children of this world using the money we use to build those dumb ass stadiums. Don't cast such disparaging generalizations over people.
[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (6 children)
When I am surrounded by these "lukewarm Christians" how could I possibly not disparage them? Why would I turn a blind eye to it?
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago* (5 children)
I don't ask you to. I ask you to stop making sweeping generalizations. I saw you doing it towards "satanists" on another thread.
You know who also makes lame, sweeping generalizations? Lukewarm christians.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (4 children)
Looking at everything as being its own unique and special snowflake isn't particularly useful. Sure, no generalizations are completely representative of the relevant population but there's trends.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (3 children)
A trend isn't a generalization, they are different concepts. A trend is based off of collected data, and they change as the data changes. Generalizations are based off of ignorance and prejudice, and they rarely ever change unless radical change comes to social perspectives.
I'm not telling you to treat everybody like a special snowflake, I'm telling you to stop throwing blanket statements around. Plenty of people do this, but you are too smart to join in with their stupidity.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 3 years ago (2 children)
It sounds like it's a trend when you agree with it and a generalization when you don't. I'm sure not all people are like the people I talked about but enough are that I said what I did.
It sounds like you want to ignore trends and assume everything is a generalization, or vice versa. You just want to defend yourself, it's ok.
"Not all people are like the people I talked about, but enough are that I said what I did."
/\ pretty good way to describe a generalization, you outdid yourself this time
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