There's a social pandemic poisoning Europe: hatred of Muslims

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[–]roguecanine[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Funny how they call it anti-Muslim racism, while Muslim isn't a race.

[–]StillLessons 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Islam - as currently practiced in its most virulent form - is an ideology. That ideology is violent, and it is intolerant. Are there muslims who are peaceful and tolerant? Yes, but they are not the ones creating the cultural movement that is destroying western Europe. So we have to pay attention to the muslims who are most active and what they want and believe. As you say, they're not a race; they are the representatives of this ideology, which is expansionist and has structured mechanisms (such as fatwas) to call for violence. Muslim "activists" in Europe have no interest at all in adapting to their new environment, only in adapting that environment to their will.

I'm sorry to see the hatred of muslims growing, but it is a completely natural and expected counterbalance to a group of people within their "religion" who hate the systems of the countries they are choosing to move to to take advantage of the material benefits, and are regularly and violently expressing that hatred.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't mind them calling it a race so much.

Seeing as the punishment for leaving the religion is death.

So in a very real way many people have no choice but to be Muslim, just as others have no choice over their skin colour.

[–]roguecanine[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can choose to become one, though. And you can choose to stop being one - at least in thoughts alone, without declaring it to your relatives/community. But yeah, I feel that it's rather hard for a muslim to overcome their upbringing and adopt more humane western values. I doubly respect those on /r/exmuslim for being able to do so.

[–]StillLessons 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Let's compare two stories for a second: the immigration of muslims to Europe and the immigration of Latin Americans to the US. These are two movements happening simultaneously, and I see two very different stories developing.

First, the US. While people are angry about illegal migration, I see no significant backlash against Latin Americans as such. In other words, people in the US realize that there are people from Latin America who have arrived legally, are working their asses off, and are helping our country continue to grow and move forward. These legal migrants are also - most importantly - fully adopting the ideals of the country to which they have moved; there are no stronger advocates for American ideology than new migrants. Interestingly, many of those who are most pissed off about the illegal immigration are the legal migrants. Long story short, I don't see an "anti-Latino" wave here, just an anti-illegal one. This thus is - correctly - playing out in politics; the Democrats represent illegal migration, and the Republicans are against it. We'll see where it lands.

Muslims in Europe are a very different story. The problem with the rise in the muslim population is that far too many radical muslims have no interest in assimilating culturally into their new home countries. Europe was a region with systems based in Judeo-Christian thought. The way the society is designed reflects that history. But fundamentalist muslims are unwilling to accept this system. There are countless stories about "no-go zones" in European cities where the official agents of the state can no longer operate without armed escorts. Fundamentalist followers of Islam, which started with Mohammed as a political movement (he was a general and killed a lot of people for disagreeing with him), are unwilling to adapt to their new countries. No, they are convinced it's the other way around. The new countries must be subjected to their system. This then ceases to be migration in the traditional sense - it becomes invasion and cultural cleansing.

It's outrageous watching the power structures in western European governments throw their own native populations under the bus to enable this cultural destruction. Apparently their own history has less value for them than the money they receive through cheap labor and direct payments from the governments of the oil states.

It is super depressing to watch western Europe committing suicide by islamization.

It occurs to me, though, that this is a parallel to the transgender problem. Just like transgenders learn to hate themselves in their original form and feel they must become the other gender to feel better, European leaders seem to hate themselves in their original Judeo-Christian form and aim to accept a new, more islamized version of themselves to feel better.

[–]roguecanine[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are there any countries in Western Europe that didn't drink the muslim coolaid? Austria seems to be one of those few?

The worst thing is that they frame dislike of muslims as racism/fascism. While to me it looks like a reasonable dislike of violent ideas. I have no kindness for rapists and bullies therefore by extension for muslims - no matter white black or brown. But they'd lump me and others like me with the worst alt-right boogeyman to shut us down.

[–]Trajan 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Outside of the terrorism, angry mobs calling for the destruction of the West, demands we accommodate their beliefs, the child sex gangs, and the forming of parallel and insular colonies in towns, I don’t see why people would have concerns.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We had a gang assault on women in Cologne a few years back.

Besides that many muslimic entrepreneurs don't seem to understand that paying taxes and your employees in consensus with the laws is not a voluntary thing. In my town their "businesses" are closed down by the police quite regularly because more often than not these are only fronts to launder the money they make on illegal things. There a seldom weeks when you can't read about this in local newspapers.

Many far right oriented people also have fear that they don't integrate into but rather try to assimilate our culture. Given how many times they tried this in history of Europe. Many people can see them building a parallel society. So their fear and hatred are understandable.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I was actually in Cologne that new year's eve.

It was bloody scary.

What it reminded me most of at the time was when the Egyptian rioters turned on the women fighting along side them. It was very much a case of them trying to terrorise women to make them scared to be out on the streets, put them in their place. This is what people don't get, Charlie Hebdo got it dead wrong, it's not a case of these men losing control or not knowing how to act in Western society. Rather it's a concerted, tactical, political campaign of violence and sexual abuse to change society, gain power for themselves and control the behaviour of women, even women they will never know.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is very much the fault of the liberal establishment which has allowed groups to get away with law breaking because didn't want to offend anyone.

There are many other minority religious groups in Europe which are not facing this sort of backlash right now because they are not associated with criminality.

[–]galaxybrain 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a problem purely created by the left. They are ensuring a reaction through intense demographic change