Turkish soldiers tortured Kurdish villagers, threw them from helicopter, locals say

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Honestly, Obama was probably a war criminal.

I believe that we should put America first, not that we should let other countries do whatever they want. This in practice means that we bring the troops home, but still condemn countries like Turkey that abuse human rights.

I would theoretically support a war against Turkey, but we would need to have cleaned up the US and the entire American continent first. I practically propose that he's either ousted in an election, or alternatively in a coup. Turkey should also be sanctioned and kicked out of NATO.

Also, the problem with the war in Iraq is that it was waged entirely to benefit the oil elite, not to save the Nation from dictatorship. If that was our goal we'd have invaded Saudi Arabia instead (which is our ally despite its connections to Al-Qaeda).

I'm sort of a Neo-Conservative, I guess that label technically fits, but the more appropriate label would be Progressive-Conservative. The Procon thing to do would be to focus on America first, but not to shy away from war when necessary.

I probably shouldn't have used the word "oust" though. It can technically include elections, but usually refers to invasions and coups.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The whole point of Turkey being in NATO is so we can flank Russia and present it with two avenues of attack when we invade. You call yourself pro war and you don't know this?

Also, the problem with the war in Iraq is that it was waged entirely to benefit the oil elite, not to save the Nation from dictatorship.

Lol. Seriously? The US didn't seize Iraq's oil. It ended up with Chinese companies iirc. We attacked Iraq because it was a threat to Israel. Israel's enemies must be smashed one by one until there are no significant powers in the Middle East, and then Israel can start expanding its border and annexing territory. Why do you think Biden's people are so gung ho for war with Syrian, a country with zero value? Or war with Iran?

not to shy away from war when necessary.

It's necessary if landing craft are headed to Florida. Otherwise no. Our military industrial complex influences the government to start wars so it can sell its products. Eisenhower and Trump both warned against it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

But can we really trust Turkey not to side with Russia?

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Who cares? What business is it of ours? Spend your own money on it. Stop spending mine. Keep it right here, at home, where it's most needed. Empires go bankrupt from trying to police the world. The country suffers but the wealthy make a mint from being the middleman for all that cash.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I support the America First doctrine, so I do believe we need to keep money at home, but once we've cleaned up our homeland it's in the best interests of our Nation to clean up the immediate area and then work out from there. That wouldn't include Turkey for quite a while, but it would need to be done eventually.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

it's in the best interests of our Nation to clean up the immediate area and then work out from there.

How so? You know that this is globalism, right? You gonna pick up a rifle and go civilize the savages? And if not, why should anyone else die for your dreams of conquest?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Actually, Globalism is the belief that the world should be interconnected, especially in an economic sense. Globalists seek to break down borders and national identity and replace it with a homogeneous non-identity.

What I want to do is make the world a safer place for my Nation. Obviously a far-away Nation like Turkey doesn't pose much of a threat, but it still poses a threat. Mexico, however, provides a much larger threat so I would deal with it first.

Again: not like I support a war against Turkey. I'd actually oppose a war against Turkey. We have much bigger issues to deal with than that. But I still believe that Erdogan should be removed from power, just that it'll have to wait.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Conquering all the other nations must in the end end with a global governance.

What I want to do is make the world a safer place for my Nation.

Attacking and destroying other nations makes the world a more hazardous place. Go figure, they don't like it and will get back at you any way possible.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your wording is quite loaded. Words like "Conquering" and "destroying" are intended to make it seem as if I'm saying things I'm not.

I'd continue this conversation but the obsessive use of buzzwords makes it unsustainable. This is what left-wing media does: constantly using loaded words, constantly taking what people say out of context, and constantly ignoring what's actually being said.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's what you mean. Overthrow Erdogan? Yeah, regime change. An invasion with destination: Ankara.

Crushing one country after another because we regard them as a "threat" has, as its inevitable outcome, a world where all countries are one. Imagine what the game of Risk looks like when someone wins. Armies on all territories, all opponents eliminated.

Maybe you don't realize what you're saying, but I do. Regime change is what we did in Iraq. Conquering and destroying are accurate words, no matter how much you don't like them.