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[–]masterclass 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I'm curious, how many Jews do you think were killed in the holocaust, and what do you base this on? This is the primary sticking point I have with the "official" narrative.

[–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

how many Jews do you think were killed in the holocaust, and what do you base this on?

Why does it matter? The only time I get the exact number debate being brought up is from Holocaust deniers trying to split hairs. I was probably told the number by my history teacher or history textbook at one point or another, along with the total casualties of WW2, and the deaths caused by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with a bunch of other facts and figures I memorized once for a test and promptly forgot about.

The point was, there was a pointed effort from the Nazi government to commit genocide against the Jewish people, as evidenced by policies, propaganda, and actions of the Nazi government at the time. There are sites of concentration camps, gas chambers, hundreds or thousands of photos of the corpses and survivors, as well as testimonies of people who avoided, escaped, or survived the ordeal and the people who carried out the act. Most of the Jewish people killed were not the Jewish people trying to destroy the German economy, if such a people ever existed. The German economy was suffering due to being forced to pay reparations as a result of losing WW1.

This is the primary sticking point I have with the "official" narrative

Do you also go through the casualties of every battle, every bombing to determine if they really happened? Do you think the atomic bomb was really dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did Japan really attack pearl harbor? Did the Canadians really fight the battle of Vimy Ridge? Do you know the exact, undisputed death tolls of those events? Why are you hyper focused on this particular number and why does it matter so much?

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[–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Do you also go through the casualties of every battle, every bombing to determine if they really happened? Do you think the atomic bomb was really dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did Japan really attack pearl harbor? Did the Canadians really fight the battle of Vimy Ridge? Do you know the exact, undisputed death tolls of those events? Why are you hyper focused on this particular number and why does it matter so much?

Why did it matter that the death toll of Dresden might have just been 35,000 instead of 250,000? Why did it matter the death toll of the Holodomor might have been 5.5 million instead of 12 million? Why did it matter the death toll at Auschwitz was only 1.1 million instead of 4.5 million? Why does it matter if the 6 million number is a gross exaggeration as well? Because the truth matters, especially on events given such historical prominence that are continually cited to justify views today.

[–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

especially on events given such historical prominence that are continually cited to justify views today

Who is using the Holocaust to justify which views? Can you provide some examples? Especially where the number is relevant.

[–]masterclass 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's constant. I dont have examples bookmarked. But I just googled "6 million" and right off the bat current events news stories popped up about it. The Israelis cite it all the fucking time to justify their hyper aggression. Antifa like to frequently cite the holocaust as justification for beating, threatening, attacking and shutting down anyone they can label fascists or nazis, which is usually everyone to the right of Mao, and antifa are protected by and even promoted by the media and courts because of the Jewish elites paranoia that populism might lead to another Holocaust. I cant even keep track of how many articles I've read since Trump was elected drawing parallels between him and Hitler that inevitably invoke the holocaust. Its this cloud that hangs over everything because of Jewish media dominance.

On reddit lefty jews have been perpetually screetching about how "the right" are forgetting the "lessons" of the holocaust. I remember a few claiming they still do something every night to remember the victims. When I asked if they do the same for the holodomor or the other 70 million plus victims of ww2 they got offended at the very idea.

It's constantly being used to bludgeon European populists and nationalism movements. You still have European countries paying reparations to "survivors", which apparently means any Jew that lived in a Nazi occupied country or that fled before it became one, and can include their descendants even. There was even a study that found Jews were actually giving their children PTSD by talking about it so much. Meanwhile no one even cares that not a single person was ever tried for anything that happened during the holodomor.

On twitter recently the term "jewish privilege" was trending because some black dude accused Jews of having it(welcome to the party), so they all dragged out images of the holocaust, because apparently the fact someone of the same religion as you suffered 80 years ago means you cant be privileged today.