Survey Finds Nearly 20% of Millennials and Gen Z in NY Believe Jews Caused the Holocaust

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[–]cisheteroscum 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (65 children)

Well, it's true the Jews brought all the hate onto them through their actions. Being an international elite class that ran most of the banks, and pushing degeneracy and ethnic destruction - same game they do today. So 20% of millennials are correct there

"the holocaust" didn't even happen tho, so lots of work to be done

[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (64 children)

cracks neck Alright. So, honest question: do you believe the standard, basic narrative of Anne Frank (for example)? From wikipedia that is: "Following their arrest, the Franks were transported to concentration camps. In October or November 1944, Anne and her sister, Margot, were transferred from Auschwitz to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where they died (probably of typhus) a few months later." If not, what do you think happened and do you have some evidence for the alternative.

If you do believe the basic parts I listed, how would you classify said death? Is jailing innocent citizens and children in camps until they die not a standard 'holocaust' outcome? Surely you must have a different take to write your second line.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Typhus and starvation were serious war-time problems killing many, including the slaves at the work camps.

Anne Frank's diary was half written in ball point pen which wasn't invented yet. Half of her story or more is myth.

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/authenticity-diary-anne-frank/ states fountain pen. Are there PDF scans, etc of the primary sources that will allow for better analysis than he said she said?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I don't have questions I need answered. Do your own research. Find diverse perspectives. Make up your own mind.

Also, AnneFrank.org likely has an agenda - to uphold the "official" narrative.

[–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah I expect that. I was just hoping someone could link the primary sources. I realize I'll have to get a translation, but I'm not scared of textual analysis.

All dead links: https://anne-frankhistory.weebly.com/primary-sources.html :(

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Anne+Frank+diary+pen

https://wotansvolk.com/2019/06/15/why-anne-franks-diary-is-a-hoax/

[–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you. So uh, some quick legwork on the second link says "The original copy of the diary has never been released for public (sic)." The second brings this link https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/af3-ballpoint-pen/ which disagrees with what we are trying to discover.

It seems that no one has (thought to) simply do a super high quality scan to either prove or disprove the claims. :(

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you owned a goose that allegedly laid golden eggs, would you ever allow anyone to examine that goose?

You can build a museum around the goose, and charge lots of money to see the goose, but if anyone were to ever questions the authenticity of that goose then your cash cow might just die - if it were fake.

Maybe you know it's fake. Maybe you don't.

Would you take that risk?

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I thought about that but didn't say it. Perhaps I was being optimistic that someone would sneak a look at the goose, at it were. Because I would totally let the goose be safely examined, but I grant that most people would certainly not.

[–]ballooon 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The first ballpoint pen was patented in 1888.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They did tests on the ink. They know what kind of pen was used. Look it up.

[–]ballooon 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Two loose annotation pages and some page numbers. The rest of the diary was written with a fountain pen.

[–]cisheteroscum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

do you believe the standard, basic narrative of Anne Frank

transferred from Auschwitz to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where they died (probably of typhus)

Yes. Some allegations of edits to the diary are out there but the basic story I agree is true

Is jailing innocent citizens

Exactly what the US, like Germany, did to Japanese-americans and others? Yes

[–]SaidOverRed 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (51 children)

You... you forgot the 'until death part'. Marching in a band is fun. Marching until you die is not.

You're answer of 'yes' means that you consider what Germany (and the US) did to be a holocaust, which contradicts your above "'the holocaust' didn't even happen tho." But I suppose you already knew that. Congrats on the successful troll.

[–]cisheteroscum 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Marching until you die is not.

The Jews simply being deported to camps is not "the holocaust" - this included alleged absurdist stories like "gas chambers", torture devices, and "death marches" (as you describe), for which there is basically no physical or documented evidence for whatsoever. And is complete irrelevant to Anne Frank, who, as you say, died of typhus - not "marching until [she] died". Congratulations on the unsuccessful non-sequitur

Both sides in WWII committed horrible atrocities, it's not like the Nazis were saints. But they weren't comic book villains, either. The US had the benefit of basically never being attacked on their home soil or having their supply lines destroyed by enemy bombers

[–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Err you needn't abuse that quote. It's related to the analogy, but I can if you'd like.

Also the Japanese were way worse than the Russians or Germans.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well stated.

[–]masterclass 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (46 children)

I'm curious, how many Jews do you think were killed in the holocaust, and what do you base this on? This is the primary sticking point I have with the "official" narrative.

[–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (42 children)

how many Jews do you think were killed in the holocaust, and what do you base this on?

Why does it matter? The only time I get the exact number debate being brought up is from Holocaust deniers trying to split hairs. I was probably told the number by my history teacher or history textbook at one point or another, along with the total casualties of WW2, and the deaths caused by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with a bunch of other facts and figures I memorized once for a test and promptly forgot about.

The point was, there was a pointed effort from the Nazi government to commit genocide against the Jewish people, as evidenced by policies, propaganda, and actions of the Nazi government at the time. There are sites of concentration camps, gas chambers, hundreds or thousands of photos of the corpses and survivors, as well as testimonies of people who avoided, escaped, or survived the ordeal and the people who carried out the act. Most of the Jewish people killed were not the Jewish people trying to destroy the German economy, if such a people ever existed. The German economy was suffering due to being forced to pay reparations as a result of losing WW1.

This is the primary sticking point I have with the "official" narrative

Do you also go through the casualties of every battle, every bombing to determine if they really happened? Do you think the atomic bomb was really dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did Japan really attack pearl harbor? Did the Canadians really fight the battle of Vimy Ridge? Do you know the exact, undisputed death tolls of those events? Why are you hyper focused on this particular number and why does it matter so much?

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    [–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

    if you want to investigate it or question any of the fake dogma about it, like the body count, you'll be demonized and face legal persecution in some western countries.

    How are you investigating? I don't think anyone is going to persecute you for going to the library.

    Funny how it's also the 1 event in history that they never teach you any of the real motivations behind it

    They did teach the real motivations behind it. German economy was suffering from the fallout of WW1 and the Nazi regime used the Jewish people as a scapegoat.

    If you don't believe it, why don't you tell me what you think happened instead of being vague about conspiracy nonsense?

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      [–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

      Your attempt to deflect the truth of what I stated failed. I don't think you're naive and ignorant about what happens to people who question any of the Holocaust-religion propaganda. Even questioning the "6 million" body count, like I said, will cause that person to be vilified and crucified institutionally.

      Questioning how? Like that other guy who said the gas chambers were de-lousing equipment, against almost all testimonies from every side? There's "questioning" then there's spewing pure bullshit in the face of facts end evidence. People died and lost loved ones in these events, I don't blame them for being sensitive. There's a way to go about "questioning" and "investigating" without being inflammatory. There are lots of documents on the event, and some of the sites are open to visitors if you want to take a trip. Some of the people who witnessed the events are still alive, and may be open to being interviewed if you're polite about it. But "did it reeeeeally happen?" is not good faith. Commenting "did six million people rly die tho?" on reddit is not constructive. Being an unhelpful ass is going to get you backlash.

      History repeats itself today with similarities because the roles of Jewish leftist-commies (serving globalists, not their own fellow nations) and lying in the mainstream media and normalizing hatred of the host culture ("white man bad!") have been happening in the US for 100 years, but it's hit a peak in the present.

      My guy, I'll tell you what, I went to a primarily immigrant school as a kid and there weren't any Jewish students there (they went to the predominantly white school on the other side of town). I wasn't even aware Jewish people were still around until my late teens; I figured they all died in the Holocaust. To my untrained eye, there were no difference between them and non-Jewish white people. I say all this to tell you that there are plenty of reasons for people to dislike white men besides "Jewish leftist-commie" meddling. I'm sorry dude, but you can't blame this one on "the Jews". A lot of people are still salty about the trans-Atlantic slavery, white European colonialism, and subsequent events. Maybe try addressing some of that instead if you want to "break the cycle"?

      [–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Do you also go through the casualties of every battle, every bombing to determine if they really happened? Do you think the atomic bomb was really dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did Japan really attack pearl harbor? Did the Canadians really fight the battle of Vimy Ridge? Do you know the exact, undisputed death tolls of those events? Why are you hyper focused on this particular number and why does it matter so much?

      Why did it matter that the death toll of Dresden might have just been 35,000 instead of 250,000? Why did it matter the death toll of the Holodomor might have been 5.5 million instead of 12 million? Why did it matter the death toll at Auschwitz was only 1.1 million instead of 4.5 million? Why does it matter if the 6 million number is a gross exaggeration as well? Because the truth matters, especially on events given such historical prominence that are continually cited to justify views today.

      [–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      especially on events given such historical prominence that are continually cited to justify views today

      Who is using the Holocaust to justify which views? Can you provide some examples? Especially where the number is relevant.

      [–]masterclass 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      It's constant. I dont have examples bookmarked. But I just googled "6 million" and right off the bat current events news stories popped up about it. The Israelis cite it all the fucking time to justify their hyper aggression. Antifa like to frequently cite the holocaust as justification for beating, threatening, attacking and shutting down anyone they can label fascists or nazis, which is usually everyone to the right of Mao, and antifa are protected by and even promoted by the media and courts because of the Jewish elites paranoia that populism might lead to another Holocaust. I cant even keep track of how many articles I've read since Trump was elected drawing parallels between him and Hitler that inevitably invoke the holocaust. Its this cloud that hangs over everything because of Jewish media dominance.

      On reddit lefty jews have been perpetually screetching about how "the right" are forgetting the "lessons" of the holocaust. I remember a few claiming they still do something every night to remember the victims. When I asked if they do the same for the holodomor or the other 70 million plus victims of ww2 they got offended at the very idea.

      It's constantly being used to bludgeon European populists and nationalism movements. You still have European countries paying reparations to "survivors", which apparently means any Jew that lived in a Nazi occupied country or that fled before it became one, and can include their descendants even. There was even a study that found Jews were actually giving their children PTSD by talking about it so much. Meanwhile no one even cares that not a single person was ever tried for anything that happened during the holodomor.

      On twitter recently the term "jewish privilege" was trending because some black dude accused Jews of having it(welcome to the party), so they all dragged out images of the holocaust, because apparently the fact someone of the same religion as you suffered 80 years ago means you cant be privileged today.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

      The number is a lie.

      We've been lied to all our lives on countless events and matters. This is no different.

      The Holocaust was not popularized in mainstream media until the 1970s.

      Both sides had concentration camps. Gas chambers were for delousing clothing in a typhus epidemic. Yes people were starving - it was war. Even the German soldiers were starving - they fled and weren't in the photos. With the hundreds of typhus victims the British bulldozers are often passed off as German.

      You might appreciate my incomplete 14 key points : https://InfoGalactic.com/info/Truther_Top_20_Counter_Points_To_The_Official_Holocaust_Story

      [–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      Gas chambers were for delousing clothing in a typhus epidemic

      Not according to the survivors of the camp, the operators of the camp, the Nazi regime and the American and Soviet soldiers. You know, the people who were actually there.

      [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      The survivors are well paid to lie. The winners (Americans and Russians) get to write their winner history as they see fit.

      Why are no other survivors of WWII well paid? ie. Japanese people who had their things stolen and sent to concentration camps in the USA and Canada? Survivors of the Dresden Fire Bombing? More Germans were mass murdered AFTER WWII than during it - yet many survived, obviously - and got no reparations.

      Jewish supremacy includes a special type of victimhood - and a new ethnostate, Israel, stolen from the Palestinians.

      [–]just_lesbian_things 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      The survivors are well paid to lie.

      Evidence of this? Who paid them? How much were they paid? What did they do with the money??

      Why were no other survivors of WWII well paid?

      No one was paid. But Allies put effort into rebuilding Germany and Japan to ensure that the events and economic strain that led up to WW2 do not repeat itself. America gained a lot of economic benefits from the process of rebuilding as well. Even now, there are American military bases in Germany and Japan.

      [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Don't know for sure. I can point you to other's estimations, though. Standard breakpoints are 1.5,2,3,3.5,4,4.5,5.5,6 million. Let's pick 4? Like I said, I'm not a historian and I didn't live through it. Not sure the relevance though.

      [–]masterclass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Well I dont know what the actual number was either, and the person who said why does it matter does have a point in that it was horrible and shouldnt have happened regardless of whether it was 2, 4 6 or whatever. But a lot of things happened during ww2 that shouldnt have happened, and there's plenty of blame to go around for that. It wasnt as clear cut as good guys vs evil guys, and I say that as someone whose grandfathers fought for the "good guys". Including one who fought from France to Germany as an infantryman. During the 60s and 70s there was a bit of a reappraisal of what happened in the war, led by authors like Kurt Vonnegut that painted a more complicated picture. Since then we've regressed back to a simplistic Hollywood jingoistic view of the war with cartoon like villains vs heroes. Its been done for political reasons and its sad, because the truth matters, especially if you truly want to know WHY things happened the way they did.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Well stated.

      [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      You might appreciate my incomplete 14 key points : https://InfoGalactic.com/info/Truther_Top_20_Counter_Points_To_The_Official_Holocaust_Story