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[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I mean, I just made an argument for why ethics (=morality) is not dependant on tribes, cultures or individual views. When it comes to children (i.e. people who are not yet in puberty), no, I don't think things are that diverse and individualized either. The part where I admit things could get murky is when we are talking about teenagers. But pedophilia usually refers to small children.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Morality is utterly dependent on culture. Natural Law is not.

Is it moral to be naked around children? Depends on your culture. Even in the USA there is Burning Man, Vancouver has a nude beach, etc. Downtown Toronto would not be so cool to do so.

Is it moral to have children as wives? Depends on your culture. Just because they're married doesn't mean they're having sex, much less involuntarily, but she's bound and subservient - and it become obvious when she's pregnant.

Natural Law is simple - don't harm others - of any age.

If a child takes voluntary interest in someone sexually, then you've got a quandary.

[–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"If a child takes voluntary interest in someone sexually, then you've got a quandary."
That's a pretty big "if", because that would never happen. "Is it moral to have children as wives? Depends on your culture."
No, it does not. No child seriously wants to get married unless heavily pressured. A child can't even know what that means. Any culture that endorses child marriage is degenerate, disgusting and immoral and should never exist.
"and it become obvious when she's pregnant."
Which means there was sex.
"Even in the USA there is Burning Man, Vancouver has a nude beach, etc."
I don't know what any of these things have to do with pedophilia. Children understand that people have a body under their clothes. What they don't understand is sexuality. If you are nude on a nude beach, children understand why you're naked, because it is normal to be nude on a nude beach. If you expose yourself in the streets, it traumatizes them because it's not normal to expose yourself on the streets.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"because that would never happen" You've got to be fucking kidding me.

I was VERY curious as a child and there were no limits until I learned about them. My first sexual experience, if you can call our voluntary "exploration" of our differences that, was at the age of 4 or 5 with girl a half year younger. Around the same age the boys on my block and I were comparing "dinkies". I got duped in grade 3 by a classmate, at 7 or 8 years old, though I won't go into details on that mutually voluntary event (I still don't know if it was an intentional lie or as naive as I was). The older I got the wiser I got so this idea that a child suddenly becomes sexual at a certain age is NONSENSE.

Marriage is different in different cultures. It's not always about love and voluntary interactions. In Africa people don't identify with Romeo & Juliet because those rotten kids disrespected their families and brought ruin - NOT romance.

Families and communities are far more important than the individual in much of the world - unlike the West, where we have cultural engineering in media to tell us to be feminists and shit to break up the strong ethnic communities and families. Whether it's a Polish community neighbourhood that is economically driven to the non-ethnic white suburban nightmare to weaken their unity, or whether it's a nation wide policy that Black women with kids cannot accept welfare if there's a man in the home. It's all designed to keep us weak. And it's all easy to temp the individual with unhealthy immediate gratification in their nightmare high-pressure low-wage world.

Your morals are of your culture. Whether it's about immoral child marriage or immorally accepting that a boss gets the profits and decides what to do with them rather than a worker cooperative. There are countless things we do that we accept as normal that are actually horrendous. Endless war is just fine. Baby fucking is bad - but baby killing and maiming for life is okay? Come on man.

Even if kids don't completely understand sexuality they understand sex organs and poopie doodoo. I agree that natural nudity doesn't demand the taboo stigma it gets - but it is related.

"_because it's not normal _" What is normal? Well, that's what's defined by your culture.

Maybe we should make all teen pregnancies get aborted? I don't think so, but there laws in the US, Canada, Australia, England, Europe, etc. about legal ages - ALL different and all, IMO, younger than they should be. Because their cultures accept them.

A pregnant 9 or 10 year old in India may not be common but it's tolerated if not embraced as "normal" and part of their culture.