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[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Now they're called Bayer and they make your aspirin!

Also paying out $10 million for something that probably profited them $100 million is not justice. That's just the government getting their cut. There needs to be more of these lawsuits and they need to be bigger payouts too.

I know a lot of lawyers getting in on the "Monsanto class-action lawsuit" game because it's so ripe...

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have a big problem with companies committing fraud and crimes against humanity, yet only getting financial penalties--which they may never pay out, and/or they simply write into their budgets, making the consumer pay for it. This is why carbon tax is so stupid--t doesn't solve the inherent problem that these corporations are wreaking havoc and mayhem yet are not being held accountable( the way an individual would if they were intentionally poisoning their neighbor's well or knowingly defrauding people.

We have to pull their business licenses (although good luck with DBA reconfig) and hold their CEO's legally responsible for their criminal acts. Why do we reward sociopaths? It's confounding.

ETA: let's not even get started on Bayer's sordid history.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

which they may never pay out, and/or they simply write into their budgets, making the consumer pay for it.

Yes exactly.

You make good points. I think also with Citizens United... if corporations are people, then they should go to jail.

Imagine if I, as an individual, sprayed toxic chemicals over thousands of people on to their food and they got sick.

Do you think I'd get a $10m fine? Hell no. I'd go to jail, for a very long time.

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, yes you would. So should the whole lot of them!

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed, everyone who participated in the chain of actions that led to that happening should be held accountable. Not every single person in the company, imo, but the people who did the bad stuff specifically. Even if they each only did 1/10th of it. Those small moral bends for each person can add up to large arcs in a company.

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

One tactic corporations use to avoid personal liability is those weird layers of "outsourcing" or subcontracting or whatever it's called.

Everyone can just point the finger elsewhere and shrug it off feigning ignorance/innocence. I agree with you the citizens united bullshit is mockingly one-sided.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, "multiple layers of plausible deniability" is the best way I've heard it phrased. Every person of power seeks to add as many layers as they can, so they can get away with the most