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[–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Things like police, fire and 911 services are all socialist, and even those who claim they're not socialist wouldn't dream of giving these services up. The real debate is how socialist people want to be. How social should education/health/safety be? IMO, they're all underfunded in general, because the privileged class has done such an good job of demonizing them, and tricking people into devaluing their own worth.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bernie is a fraud too, advocated for Hillary as his handlers and the internationalists forced him to do. He also, vacationed in the Soviet Union and his famiyl has a history surrounded by other communist and bolsheviks. Honestly, there are many people in politics here and now, that are crypto-communists, crypto-nazis, etc. The USSR never died, nor did the true nazi bankers who created the BIS.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It works but not when the state -- the very one we have today is still in tact to gut the local economies. If we are headed into a socialist system, and as we know banks and creditors thrive on a crony-socialist system -- they are, afterall on the largest welfare system, i.e, creditor jubilees (bailouts).

We have to observe history and look back at authoritarian regimes in the baltic regions, eastern Europe and Soviet Satellite states. Were banks funding marxism, communism, etc,. Were they funding authoritarian, totalitarian states?

Capitalism is long gone, we do not have capitalism anymore. We were prosperous under industrial capitalism with a socialist like backbone and a prosgressive tax but that's long gone.

In reality all systems are literary fictions. Fodder for the denizens of academia and coffee houses. We have powerful people utilizing socio-economic structures best suited to extract the desired local resources. Some will say, "well the system is STILL legitimate, it is just the corporations or some rouge “Deep state,” which implies a rogue element somehow operating with impunity within an otherwise legitimate system. This is a preposterous notion, a juvenile interpretation of events. The entire system is illegitimate. And until people realize this, NOTHING WILL CHANGE without Their will!

But let us just pretend.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We were prosperous under industrial capitalism

Who, exactly, prospered? :-p

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The middle class to an extent. At least the social construct and family unit was in tact and Christian principles were held in high regard. Today is much different than the 1950's through the 1970's. It is much harder in 2019 to live with a stagnant wage and an economy that NEVER REALLY recovered from the planned 2008 economic collapse.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

bankers funded a lot of anti socialist propaganda