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[–]3andfro 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is beyond sad and well into pathetic territory. Also rather frightening. It's so extreme it could be a SNL skit. I almost thought it was a spoof. IS it????

[–]3andfro 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is beyond sad and well into pathetic territory. Also rather frightening. It's so extreme it could be a SNL skit. I almost thought it was a spoof.

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events...[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I want to be clear and point out that I hold the media responsible for causing this kind of emotional hardship in these people's lives. It is unforgivable to work the masses into such a froth of anticipation, and then when the "desired" outcome doesn't come to pass, to leave them in an emotional abyss, some of them in genuinely abject terror.

I thought in 2016 that these people were just being spiteful, that they actually understood that it wasn't so dire, that they were just showing their asses. After Tuesday night, seeing the reaction among ordinary people, I'm not so sure anymore. I think there is a wide swath of the populace who really believe that the election of Trump will almost immediately affect their lives negatively, that they have the Sword of Damocles hanging above their heads between now and January 20.

I hope that, like me, you'll give a moment's consideration to having sympathy for our fellow citizens. Let's hope together that there are no lethal consequences to the depraved indifference of the corporate media. Take it upon yourself to sympathetically talk someone down if you're given the opportunity. Yes, Trump is an asshole. Fuck him. But he is decidedly not Hitler. Dispel the boogeyman trope, if only to ease the distress of our fellows.

[–]sdl5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Much as I am deeply worried over the harm they are now self-inflicting, and the grave risk viral hysteria is leading to much worse, this from Maniak truly must be the strong line each and every one of us holds to:

"I'm not in it to get half a country out of a fucking cult. I'll be there to help those who start seeing what they've been sucked in for so long, but I'm not interested in saving the "hey I was just following orders" collaborators. And this is literally where we're at now. 80 years later, same shit, even wider region.

I'll have sympathy for those who demonstrate some kind of cognition of what's been happening and want to climb out of it."

Why?

Because they will show no mercy to non-complying by us on even the smallest most irrelevant item or agenda.

They have become the monster, and reaching out to them is dangerous to our own safety on multiple levels, as well as our loved ones.

And on that note- only and EXCLUSIVELY those you truly love personally should be shown at least some grace or neutral responses if they are caught in the cult. But not more than caution and neccessary distancing if they view you as an enemy and wish harm upon you if you disagree with them.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I hope that, like me, you'll give a moment's consideration to having sympathy for our fellow citizens.

That was 2016. We're 8 years later and my sympathy is spent. Those who are still blindly believing the bullshit fed to them via their TV sets and are stupid enough to still end up bent out of shape this way can go fuck themselves with the other gullible morons.

These are the same people who went after us when we dared to question the sanity of injecting everybody with an experimental genetic treatment. The same people who went after us when we dared to question the reasons behind the Ukraine war. Add in any other bullshit narrative that we've been fed over the years and that the very same subset of people always manage to obediently follow and become some of the worst assholes ever towards those who have not lost the ability to question, even if they were friends or family. And the examples of those very same fucks throwing despicable amounts of vitriol towards everybody around them over the past 4 days are already too numerous to count.

No, really, fuck them. If any of them ever shows any sign of self-reflection at any point, sure, arms open, welcome to the anti-establishment club.

But after what we've all seen and been through for the past 8 years at a minimum, the fucktards who are losing their shit right now and YET AGAIN blaming everybody but themselves can all go fuck themselves. Each and every single one of them.

In just the past 2 and a half years, the western world has been destroying its own economy to support two nazi regimes, we're past the thirteenth month of a livestreamed genocide, and these people are upset because an insufferable incompetent drunk corporate whore who never earned a single vote wasn't elected despite all the undemocratic bullshit that was done to get her there?

Boo-fucking-hoo.

Let them drown in their fake tears from their eternally morally superior throne of moronic corporate-fed bullshit, I'm done.

They've been duped, sure. But they've also demonstrated that they're more than willing to be duped, and they're showing yet again what's underneath their mask of pretend virtues whenever they encounter something they don't like.

They're adults. Have them take responsibility for their own stupidity first, then we'll talk about what they can do to start earning back some modicum of respect from the world at large.

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events...[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I understand exactly what you mean, believe me, but it's clear that the political divisions in the United States are primarily media-driven. I worry that the "fuck 'em, they voted for Trump" attitude is nothing but the obverse of this, and that the divisions produced in both cases benefit only one class, and we know which class that is.

I just think we'll never overcome the oppression of all of us by that class without real solidarity within our own class. Don't forget how our fellows behaved when we were COVID dissidents, but again, never forget why they behaved that way. There was nothing organic about it. Fight the real enemy.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What you say about the divisiveness being harmful and being media-driven is right but you can only have reconciliation if both sides are willing to own up to the role they played. I'm perfectly willing to concede that we have been openly critical of and hostile to Democratic Party loyalists but our criticisms never reached the level of vitriolic abuse they've hurled at us since 2016. Their recognition of that fact has to be the starting point.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Precisely. We're not the ones forgetting about the reasons why they've been behaving as whiny little bitches, lashing out at us while covering for those who are the actual cause of the problems.

We are open to catching them up on the bullshit they missed and to welcoming them into the fold against the real enemy.

But it's up to them whether they can be bothered enough to think for a bit and start asking questions about what the real enemy is.

It's not up to us to save them from themselves.

That was the hope back in 2016, but 8 years later they've shown that they're not interested. So guess what? I'm not interested anymore either.

They told the left to fuck off, the left listened. Now they're lashing out at the left for having left without even wondering if they could have any kind of responsibility in this.

They're behaving like fucking zionists. Always acting like eternally innocent victims. Burn your house down, get a slap in the face in response then yell about pogroms against you.

Fuck them. I'm not in it to get half a country out of a fucking cult. I'll be there to help those who start seeing what they've been sucked in for so long, but I'm not interested in saving the "hey I was just following orders" collaborators. And this is literally where we're at now. 80 years later, same shit, even wider region.

I'll have sympathy for those who demonstrate some kind of cognition of what's been happening and want to climb out of it.

For those who are fine with yelling at the top of their lungs because their egos got bruised while sipping champagne at brunch, I'll just quote their favorite Biden, but directed at people who actually deserve it: I have no empathy for them.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Damn, that was brilliant.

[–]Promyka5When in the course of human events...[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This was posted on the subReddit, and it's exactly what I was concerned about. Dialogue is indispensible if we are to avoid ideological civil war, which our overlords will certainly take great delight and benefit from.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dialogue is indispensible if we are to avoid ideological civil war

This ideological civil war has been going on for quite some time already. They've been fighting it with censorship and virtue signaling, we've been fighting it with attempts at dialogue, facts and reasoning. It's been 8 years since Bernie's original campaign, the one that actually mattered, and it's been a war since then.

And you're right, our overlords have been talking great delight in seeing it happen, and have used it as much as they can.

Let them enjoy it, until it bites them in their corrupt asses.

During these past 8 years of trying the dialogue and information sharing approach, we've got C19, Ukraine, the BLM bubble that suddenly disappeared, the trans bubble that suddenly (mostly) disappeared, Russiagate, a full-fledged live-streamed genocide for more than a year... and as of now, Russiagate is back, the genocide is expanding to Lebanon and we're getting pushed ever closer to nuclear war.

And it's all being done by our overlords exploiting the sheer stupidity of the people we've failed to reach, because for all intents and purposes, they're unreachable and getting worse.

From time to time, one of them may end up realizing what's happening, usually following something very bad impacting them personally, but by and large they're too comfortable up on their high horses within their personal matrix to give any kind of shit about anybody else, and they're actively working against the interests of everybody, themselves included.

So yes, there's a fracture, been there for a long time and getting worse, by design. We're not getting through this via continuing attempts at dialogue. Tried that, it's not enough. It is important and should absolutely not be thrown out, but it's not enough.

Every time we start winning the ideological war, which always ends up happening because it's easy to win it ('genocide is bad' isn't a complicated position to argue for), we get more made-up ideological battles thrown at us and when it's not enough to put us down, we get C19, Ukraine and Israel to manufacture ever more bullshit divisions.

We're not getting through this by only using peaceful dialogue. That ship has sailed, way too many people are way too far gone by now. I'm pretty sure that things are going to get much, much worse, and it remains to be seen if there will be a path opening at some point to make them better.

But hey, that's the optimist in me.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't disagree with you but must point out that for any reconciliation to occur, both sides have to want it and be committed to it. It isn't fair to continually expect one side of a conflict to "be the better person", something we've seen with the calls for amnesty for those who were promoting the most egregious acts against opponents of Covid mandates, including vaccination. The Truth and Reconciliation Commissions succeeded because the wrongdoers admitted to their wrongdoing.

As for what the overlords will do, they'll do it anyway because they always find and try to exploit the fault lines. I'm as concerned about the polarization as you are but the answer IMO is fully airing the grievances, lancing the boil so to speak so that healing can begin; otherwise the resentments will just stay buried and will fester. The grievances don't have to be one-sided, the anti-Dem, anti-Kamala cohort had some bad actors as well because we don't teach people how to disagree civilly and respectfully and we've been conditioned over decades to have hair triggers that lead to impulsive, emotional responses when rationality, perspective and reasonableness are what's needed.