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[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If they didn't want to give Putin justification for rebuilding "another Russian Empire", they shouldn't have continually violated assurances made to Gorbachev not to expand NATO boundaries further east. We almost had a nuclear showdown with the Soviets when they put missiles in Cuba, and yet the West not only blew off Russia's equally legitimate national security concerns but amped up the tensions. This was entirely avoidable if we'd had leaders who aren't hypocrites and sociopaths.

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Yeah, Gorbachev got used like a cheap whore. Zelensky said he would discuss neutrality though and it didn't matter. Although it is a real security concern for Russia, I see that only as an excuse. As we see in this conflict, NATO is powerless to act. I see no inherent threat there due to the risk of nuclear escalation. This is plain old empire building, and that leads to world wars.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Disagree.