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[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Maybe so, but I feel like that just discounts the obvious nefariousness of it all.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

well I also think all of the nefariousness in the world is related to this concept. Have you ever seen Rich Man's Trick? Good documentary. He asked the question could you imagine the Queen waiting in line with other people to get on a plane at the airport? No so that is why we have a class system. Also there was 1984 where Orwell explained the rich wanted to waste the surplus output of the working class thru war so that the standard of living would not increase for the working class. Because with technology today everyone could live a life of pleasure.

I looked for that online to quote it but here is what wikipedia says:

Scientific advance is held carefully in check, as the Party does not want to allow for any unaccounted abundance of goods, which could conceivably raise the quality of life beyond bare subsistence for the Proles. The only technological advances permitted are in mind control and genocide, the twin goals of each of the superstates. Once mind control is perfected, the superstates are free to destroy their counterparts in a theoretical single, decisive strike that precludes retaliation. Technological advancement, even in war, can be counterproductive to the goals of the Party; none of the superstates are a true threat to each other, as they all must exist in a state of permanent limited war to survive. By harnessing the hysteria of war and demand for self-sacrifice, each of the nations declare war not on each other but on their own populace, who are kept ignorant, on the brink of starvation, and overworked. Permanent limited war also allows for the Party to divert attention away from domestic concerns and their failures. Instead of promises of an "easy, safe life", Slater writes that Orwell believed that the populace requires heroic nationalism. Thus, war becomes a psychological tool to establish a kind of ironic "peace", a stasis where progress is impossible and nothing ever changes, except for the possibility of eventual global conquest.[14] However, even though Inner Party members have devoted their lives to establishing Oceania as the universal world power, they use doublethink also in connection with the war, knowing that it is necessary for the conflict to go on indefinitely to keep the structure of Oceanic society intact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Oligarchical_Collectivism

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

wow, thanks for such an excellent and thoughtful response! I will check out the Rich Man's Trick. The rest seems very reasonable. thanks!