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[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Do you lefties want an open rebellion because this is how you get an open rebellion.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So you're suggesting we're wrong to repost an oped that was published in a major newspaper? Like people won't know about it if they don't read about it here?

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'll stick with what I said and there will be an open rebellion. Firing millions of people for not taking the shot of death will not work out for Biden.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree. And Biden ain't left. He's not even really center, I would call him more right-leaning given all the things he's advocated over the course of his career. Or maybe he's just an authoritarian corporate whore with no ideology except greed.

[–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I also agree with Stalin: everything I don't like is right-wing.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why would you agree with such a stupid remark?

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Rule of law cannot be maintained by a population of morons.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Doctors aren't sure how to tell if someone has natural immunity, so they're just figuring it's best to make everyone get the vaccine. Same with making everyone wear masks, even vaccinated, they can't tell if someone is vaccinated so just require it for all.

There'd be a way to test for it but they don't want to go thru all that and figure people will fake the tests anyway.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Testing for antibodies is too complex? Wow, who knew.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it is I mean they look at white blood cell counts, but those could be up cuz of covid, or cuz of something else, who knows.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Archived here: https://archive.is/d6U7N

From the article:

Yet as a means to increase nationwide vaccination rates, the OSHA mandate far exceeds the authority Congress granted the agency, and if the president can order private companies to dictate such terms of employment, his power to coerce citizens in the name of public health might as well be unlimited. This would both be profoundly unconstitutional and fundamentally transform the relationship between the government and the people.

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The Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 authorizes OSHA to enact rules that are “reasonably necessary or appropriate to provide safe or healthful employment and places of employment.” But the Biden mandate is unreasonably and unnecessarily broad. As announced, it applies to all employees, even those who work at home, as millions have done during the pandemic. It’s simultaneously too narrow, failing to require vaccination for contractors, customers and other nonemployees who may be present at the work site.

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It’s overbroad in another way: Previous Covid infection doesn’t excuse employees from the vaccine requirement. Natural immunity tends to be more robust and longer-lasting than vaccinated immunity, according to Marty Makary of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Worse, Dr. Makary says, there is evidence that people who already have natural immunity are at heightened risk of vaccine side effects caused by an augmented inflammatory response. For these reasons, lawsuits have already been filed challenging employer vaccine mandates as applied to employees with natural immunity. (bold added)

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Another concern is that the administration’s interpretation of the OSHA statutory language presents a “delegation” problem. If Congress delegates discretion to an agency without a proper limiting principle, it violates the separation of powers. To avoid this constitutional problem, the courts will have to give the statute a more restrictive reading.

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In imposing the vaccination requirement immediately, OSHA will bypass the ordinary notice-and-comment rule-making process and issue what’s known as an Emergency Temporary Standard. OSHA has used that legal authority only 10 times in 50 years. Courts have decided challenges to six of those standards, nixing five and upholding only one.

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The OSH Act imposes stringent limits on emergency standards precisely so OSHA can’t easily circumvent the ordinary rule-making process.

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Many commentators are under the impression that Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), in which the Supreme Court upheld a vaccine mandate, settles all such questions. But that case involved a state law and a local regulation, not any federal action—a crucial distinction. The states have plenary police power to regulate health and safety. Congress has only those limited powers enumerated in the Constitution. That wouldn’t include the authority to impose a $155 fine (today’s equivalent of the $5 at stake in Jacobson) on an individual who declines to be vaccinated, much less to prevent him from earning a livelihood.

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

His justification is a lack of patience. Patience is a virtue. Biden was never really a man of virtue though, was he?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Biden is old and soon to die, he probably hopes to get everyone vaccinated by then. I think that's why Trump was trying to do it quick with warp speed too. It'd be better to slow it down, covid ain't going away anyway even if 100% are vaccinated. But the old and soon to die want to go back to jet setting and don't want to catch covid from their servants, they'd get sniffles and that would ruin their vacation.

[–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Those who "jet set" have not been hindered one bit by any of this. It's just pure authoritarianism.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do think one of the main reasons for all of this is the rich not wanting to catch sniffles from their servants. I doubt the rich themselves take the vaccine but they definitely want everyone else to get it. Even if they have to wait one extra minute to get on their private plane that is a hindrance to them that is unacceptable in their mind.

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Maybe so, but I feel like that just discounts the obvious nefariousness of it all.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

well I also think all of the nefariousness in the world is related to this concept. Have you ever seen Rich Man's Trick? Good documentary. He asked the question could you imagine the Queen waiting in line with other people to get on a plane at the airport? No so that is why we have a class system. Also there was 1984 where Orwell explained the rich wanted to waste the surplus output of the working class thru war so that the standard of living would not increase for the working class. Because with technology today everyone could live a life of pleasure.

I looked for that online to quote it but here is what wikipedia says:

Scientific advance is held carefully in check, as the Party does not want to allow for any unaccounted abundance of goods, which could conceivably raise the quality of life beyond bare subsistence for the Proles. The only technological advances permitted are in mind control and genocide, the twin goals of each of the superstates. Once mind control is perfected, the superstates are free to destroy their counterparts in a theoretical single, decisive strike that precludes retaliation. Technological advancement, even in war, can be counterproductive to the goals of the Party; none of the superstates are a true threat to each other, as they all must exist in a state of permanent limited war to survive. By harnessing the hysteria of war and demand for self-sacrifice, each of the nations declare war not on each other but on their own populace, who are kept ignorant, on the brink of starvation, and overworked. Permanent limited war also allows for the Party to divert attention away from domestic concerns and their failures. Instead of promises of an "easy, safe life", Slater writes that Orwell believed that the populace requires heroic nationalism. Thus, war becomes a psychological tool to establish a kind of ironic "peace", a stasis where progress is impossible and nothing ever changes, except for the possibility of eventual global conquest.[14] However, even though Inner Party members have devoted their lives to establishing Oceania as the universal world power, they use doublethink also in connection with the war, knowing that it is necessary for the conflict to go on indefinitely to keep the structure of Oceanic society intact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Oligarchical_Collectivism

[–]FlippyKing 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

wow, thanks for such an excellent and thoughtful response! I will check out the Rich Man's Trick. The rest seems very reasonable. thanks!

[–]mahavishnunj 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

not about to subscribe or sign in for that.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Duly noted, categorized and filed.