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I would like to redo these links, organize them by "subtopic". Suggestions on what the categories should be are welcome - e.g., the pandemic in general; the science behind the mRNA vaccines, adverse effects, recent data, misinformation,etc.; alternatives to the approved vaccines and so on.

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Zero Sum: A Meditation

Marketing science is not about examining science or considering its future implications.

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CDC's changing definition of "vaccine" (bold added)

Definition as of 9/1/2021:

Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.


Definition as of 2/24/2011:

Vaccine: A product that produces immunity therefore protecting the body from the disease. Vaccines are administered through needle injections, by mouth and by aerosol.

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From a comment on this piece:

There's already an under report bias for COVID because most vaccines are for pediatric use and awareness of VAERS is low/none among groups outside pediatrics. There's a hospital whistleblower talked about how she discovered VAERS and nobody in the huge hospital system ever heard of it.. there is no guidance for reporting.. wonderful insight to what the system takes and how corporate retaliated when she began doing VAERS reports for her staff. After hearing this account the notion of single digit % of event reporting seems very realistic.

https://media.livecast365.com/highwire/thehighwire/content/1631924899994.mp4

I'm watching it now and this health care provider asks a really good question -

"When you roll out an emergency use product that you're going to mass release on the population, wouldn't you assure that you have safety mechanisms in place, the first thing you would do is assure that people were educated about side effects, what to report, who to report to - before you did that? That should have been the first thing, educate your health care providers who are going to see these people in the hospital. Well then, how come we didn't get educated as health care providers? I was told we were supposed to educate ourselves."

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From u/bodhisaurusrex in this post at rWayOfTheBern:

Here’s the advisory meeting where several medical science experts raised concerns around the Covid vaccine data.

https://fda.yorkcast.com/webcast/Play/502a2c9649c84b06972d9f93d36094d61d

C.D.C. Chief Overrules Agency Panel and Recommends Pfizer-BioNTech Boosters for Workers at Risk https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/world/covid-boosters-vaccine-cdc-director.html

Here’s the JCVI from the UK saying kids 12-15 shouldn’t be vaccinated, based on risk of heart inflammation showing up in young folks from US data. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021

But UK went ahead with the vaccines for kids 12-15

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58623058.amp

Trusting the science appears to only matter when the science benefits big pharma.

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Comment from post about 37-year-old Jessica Wilson, who died shortly after taking the J&J vaccine:

Peer reviewed article-- it's happening with pfizer and moderna too

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejme2106315

Archived version of article here: SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine–Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia

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Dr. John Campbell: Aspirate to vaccinate!

Full URL

Do we need to change vaccination protocols?

Department of Pathology and Molecular Medicine, Queen's University, Kingston, ON, Canada

https://ashpublications.org/blood/art...

Thrombocytopenia has been consistently reported following the administration of adenoviral gene transfer vectors

Adenovirus-induced thrombocytopenia is a potentially serious complication of gene therapy protocols using this type of vector.

Understanding its mechanism may help the development of measures to prevent this adverse event.

In this report, we have studied platelet-adenovirus interactions in vitro and in vivo after intravenous administration of adenovirus to mice.

We show that adenovirus induces platelet activation and promotes the formation of platelet-leukocyte aggregates both in vitro and in vivo.

Thrombocytopenia occurs between 5 and 24 hours following intravenous administration of adenovirus to mice

Adenovirus activates platelets and induces rapid exposure of P-selectin

Adenovirus activates endothelial cells

Incorrect injection technique

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2021-0...

Vaccine technique can be a rare cause of clots

https://translate.google.com/translat...

State Serum Institute of Denmark, now recommends injection aspiration before injecting vaccine

There is suspicion as to whether accidental injection of the vaccine into a blood vessel could play a role

Intravascular administration may lead to a systemic inflammatory reaction leading to blood clots

Danish nursing council

Covid-19 vaccines should be given with aspiration before injection

https://sqd34kucpgoufz3qiuiswlotka--d...

Aspiration is recommended for all approved covid-19 vaccines

Consistent with the Danish Health and Medicines Authority's guidelines

Vaccination personnel should ensure that they are injected correctly into a muscle and not into the bloodstream

Possible connection between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare but serious side effects with blood clots and bleeding

And the link to the updated instructions from the Danish Serum Institute

https://www.ssi.dk/vaccinationer/inje...

Google Translate:

https://translate.google.com/translat...

Danish Nurse association

https://dsr.dk/politik-og-nyheder/nyh...

Google Translate:

https://translate.google.com/translat...

https://sundhedspolitisktidsskrift.dk...

https://translate.google.com/translat...

When vaccinating, it is important to make sure that the vaccine does not go directly into the bloodstream.

UK and WHO guidelines

https://www.gov.uk/government/collect...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov...

Vaccines should not be given intravenously.

It is not necessary to aspirate the syringe after the needle is introduced into the muscle (WHO, 2004; Plotkin and Orenstein, 2004).

Plotkin SA and Orenstein WA (eds) (2008) Vaccines, 5th edition. Philadelphia: WB Saunders Company.

World Health Organization (2004) Immunization in practice: a guide for health workers. WHO.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/h...

Tim Spector

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD7V2...

Who are these guys?

Vitamin D

https://vdmeta.com

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CDC's changing definition of vaccine - copied from here

Re: altering the definition of the word vaccine to suit its needs, CDC allegedly has done just that and several times recently. This went around the webbernet a few times and makes for interesting reading:

according to an archived snapshot of the CDC’s website, the definition of a vaccine February 24, 2011, was:

“A product that produces immunity therefore protecting the body from the disease. Vaccines are administered through needle injections, by mouth and by aerosol.”

By July 2015, the wording had changed to:

“A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed in the nose.”

The wording was the same in June 2017 and likewise in June 2019 and June 2020. By August 26, 2021, however, the definition had changed slightly to add the words “to produce immunity”:

“A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.”

Then, less than a week later, just days after the FDA gave final approval to Pfizer’s mRNA jab, the definition changed again, September 1, 2021 — this time, significantly. The definition of a vaccine now reads:

“A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.”

As you’ll note, the second sentence remains the same. It is the first part of the definition that has dramatically changed. In the latest definition, a vaccine:

  • Is no longer a “product” but instead is a “preparation”

  • No longer directly stimulates the immune response, but is used to stimulate the system

  • Does not produce immunity

  • Stimulates the immune response against diseases, not against a specific disease

  • No longer protects a person from the disease

http://holisticwebs.com/cdc-changes-the-definition-of-vaccines-pdf.pdf

u/FThumb, u/Maniak - seen this chronology?

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I was aware of the last change, because of how bullshit it is, but didn't know about the whole series of changes no.

It's like they still don't know that Internet comes with a time machine.

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Thanks for all your posts. It's good to capture the most important stuff from r/WOTB over here.

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I made a tampermonkey script to add SaidIt submit links under the Reddit ones, so I just have to remember to ctrl-click on both then copy/paste between the tabs :)

Whether to do it every time or only for the most important links/posts is something I'm still not sure about :)

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Yeah, that's what I struggle with as well.

I do like the "source" feature that lets me copy/paste other people's posts and comments. I don't know if that's basic reddit or part of RES but I use it a lot.

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It's RES apparently. It disappears when I disable the extension, both on Reddit and Saidit :)

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From 3andfro, https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/q0m758/cdc_director_rochelle_walensky_on_cnn_says_that/hf95pfg/

Perfect vaccines, touted as examples of the wonders of vaccination [edited to add asterisked example at end] in promoting current C19 vaccines, which are not perfect vaccines:

“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University.

Leaky vaccines, which Walensky and others concede includes current C19 vaccines:

“These vaccines also allow the virulent virus to continue evolving precisely because they allow the vaccinated individuals, and therefore themselves, to survive,” said Venugopal Nair, who led the research team. [discussing vaccine for Marek's disease in chickens] ...

These less-than-perfect vaccines create a “leaky” barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715#Preventing-More-Virulent-Virus-Strains

*Real-life example recently posted right here: https://old.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/q0i9o5/the_amount_of_misinformation_surrounding/hf8g0pa/

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More:

And a professor of medicine at Harvard University weighs in:

Among many surprising developments during this pandemic,** the most stunning has been the questioning of naturally acquired immunity** after a person has had the Covid disease.

We have understood natural immunity since at least the Athenian Plague in 430 BC.

For most viruses, natural immunity is better than vaccine-induced immunity, and that is also true for Covid. In the best study to date, the vaccinated were around 27 times more likely to have symptomatic disease than those with natural immunity, with an estimated range between 13 and 57.

...

Another goal should be to employ staff with the strongest possible immunity against Covid, as they are less likely to catch it and spread it to their patients. This means that hospitals and nursing homes should actively seek to hire staff that have natural immunity from prior Covid disease and use such staff for their most vulnerable patients.

Hospitals Should Hire, Not Fire, Nurses with Natural Immunity


The science on naturally acquired immunity:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2

This study followed 52,238 employees of the Cleveland Clinic Health System in Ohio.

For previously-infected people, the cumulative incidence of re-infection “remained almost zero.” According to the study, "Not one of the 1,359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a [Covid-19] infection over the duration of the study” and vaccination did not reduce the risk. “Individuals who have had [Covid-19] infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination,” concludes the study scientists.

https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176

Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study. In a Cox proportional hazards regression model, after adjusting for the phase of the epidemic, vaccination was associated with a significantly lower risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection among those not previously infected (HR 0.031, 95% CI 0.015 to 0.061) but not among those previously infected (HR 0.313, 95% CI 0 to Infinity). Conclusions. Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article

"Attack rate was 0/6 among persons with a previous history of COVID-19 versus 63.2% among those with no previous history."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8253687/

This study followed 254 Covid-19 patients for up to 8 months and concluded they had “durable broad-based immune responses.” In fact, even very mild Covid-19 infection also protected the patients from an earlier version of “SARS" coronavirus that first emerged around 2003, and against Covid-19 variants. “Taken together, these results suggest that broad and effective immunity may persist long-term in recovered COVID-19 patients,” concludes the study scientists.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2589-5370(21)00182-6

This study of real world data extended the time frame of available data indicating that patients have strong immune indicators for “almost a year post-natural infection of COVID-19.” The study concludes the immune response after natural infection "may persist for longer than previously thought, thereby providing evidence of sustainability that may influence post-pandemic planning.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4

This study examined bone marrow of previously-infected patients and found that even mild infection with Covid-19 “induces robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans.” The study indicates "People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.06.21253051v1

This study found a rare Covid-19 positive test "reinfection" rate of 1 per 1,000 recoveries.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Research funded by the National Institutes of Health and published in Science early in the Covid-19 vaccine effort found the “immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection," and hoped the vaccines would produce similar immunity. (However, experts say they do not appear to be doing so.)

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.21249731v2

This study found Covid-19 natural infection "appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection" for at least seven months. "Reinfection is "rare," concludes the scientists.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

This study found that all patients who recently recovered from Covid-19 produced immunity-strong T cells that recognize multiple parts of Covid-19.

They also looked at blood samples from 23 people who’d survived a 2003 outbreak of a coronavirus: SARS (Cov-1). These people still had lasting memory T cells 17 years after the outbreak. Those memory T cells, acquired in response to SARS-CoV-1, also recognized parts of Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2).