Bernie Sanders Refuses to Bow to Israel

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This is why I think those of us that pay attention, regardless of political leanings, can agree that the current structure cannot be fixed electorally.

It will take torches and pitchforks - and those don't tend to come out until the bread and circus dry up. Until that point people have too much to lose to act.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree voting will not solve it. But I also think there are other options than torches and pitchforks. Mass protest that causes billionaires to lose lots of money is effective in getting them to come around to the will of the people. Or maybe that's what you meant

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That is one form of torches and pitchforks, sure. However, the establishment has become extremely effective at neutering such movements.

Two come to mind that were quickly co-opted and rendered impotent.

1) Tea Party Movement (Right Wing)

2) Occupy Wall Street (Left Wing)

Large scale movements in France have been ongoing for a long time now (Yellow Vests), and are being handled well with rubber bullets and media suppression.

At the end of the day politics are a surrogate for violence. Or, to quote Kennedy, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

If you yell at the government and corporate america, "Stop!", and they say, "Make me", then shoot you with rubber bullets and arrest you - the only options left on the table are to accept your status as a slave, or stop playing by the rules and rebel.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's interesting to note too that the Tea party started as a pretty centrist thing with Ron Paul and then it got hijacked by the Koch Brothers and Sarah Palin and John McCain.

Likewise, OWS was a centrist movement borne out of the economic hardships of the 2008 economic crisis, but it was warped in to a lefty hippy organization full of the homeless and ignorant.

Both these warpings are deliberate, by the people currently in power, to maintain their power structure so they don't face real opposition. What we need is a true centrist thing that cannot be warped.

However I have a feeling that it won't arise until there is a common enemy, be that the stock market crashes, or be it a hong-kong style anti-government protest after the US government does something very obviously overstepping their bounds.

But there are also many vultures like Soros who are deliberately creating these chaotic conditions to profit from them. Remember the freemasonry slogan "Order from chaos" (Ordo ab chao)

Revolutions are very exciting, but I'm coming to realize that the best revolutions are the slowest and gentlest ones, because they have the likelihood to last the longest. I think the Icelandic "Pots and pans" revolution that got them a new constitution, is the best example we have in modern day. This is a very civilized and focused way of doing this.

There's also the possibility we could vote for a constitutional convention on the state level. If 35 out of 50 states individually vote for it, we would get a new constitution. So that's one other way to bypass the federal government to change it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's not forgot though that every time a country throws off the shackles of international finance they are murdered or punished brutally by international finance.

At this point the only countries left these powers don't control are Cuba; North Korea; Iran; Syria ; Venezuela

It's naive to think they wouldn't intervene internationally to maintain their authority here. Certainly they were quick to take care of Libya, Iraq, Germany, Spain, Italy, Sudan, Afghanistan, etc.

The average OWS protestor had more in common w/the dreaded "nazis" than they'd ever know if they never studied history.

[–]RuckFeddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is never ever going to happen though. If there's one bet I'll take it's that we will continue to live comfortably ignorant.