ShootingVisceral footage of the Cascade Mall shooting from 2016 has been released

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[–]sugarallie 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

That was incredibly heartbreaking to watch. Seeing him shoot those two older women and the clerk who hid behind the counter was so sad and terrifying. He also shot another person who hid behind a counter. Is running or hiding better in these situations?

[–]Oneda 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

That shooter really pisses me off. Too bad he committed suicide in jail. He just ran around and killed people for no reason at all. They were saying he's supposed to be some kind of mentally ill person and they were gonna use that to defend him. What the hell?! Being mentally ill shouldn't be an excuse for mass murderers or dangerous criminals. I don't believe those types of people could be rehabilitated or "fixed". They're not the normal type of mentally ill person who can still be peaceful.

You know, after watching a lot of these mass shooting videos, I observed that people who hide or stay in place are the ones who always get killed. Rarely do the shooters just run past them. The worst is when you curl up into a ball, you definitely become a tempting target for the shooter to go for because of how defenseless you are.

I think anyone would also get scared and just run as a first instinct when it comes to situations like this, no matter how strong of a person you believe you are, but then again, I also wonder what would happen if people actually fought back instead of just cowering in a corner. Whether people run away or they rush and beat or kill the shit out of the shooter, someone's bound to get hurt or killed. Not everyone is a fighter though, especially the old grannies or grandpas, or the little kids or the teens, but I do think that aggressive action towards the shooter would've rattled him or even could've opened up the chance to stop/kill him.

This reminds me of that guy who shot a mosque in New Zealand I think. I watched the video and there was this one brave guy who actually managed to fight back against the shooter and even take him down to the ground. Unfortunately, nobody helped the brave man. The shooter got lucky and managed to regain his gun and he shot the guy. Then he proceeded to shoot 20 or 30+ people who were just all cowering in a corner. They were honestly, sadly too overwhelmed with fear to do anything or even try to run. Just one shooter, 20 or 30+ people, nobody else did anything to fight back or survive. One guy managed to take down the shooter but nobody helped, so the guy died and they all got shot to hell.

Real life isn't like in the movies where it only takes one heroic guy to save the day. I think that if even just one more extra person helped hold down the shooter and beat him up, there wouldn't have been an entire group of people dead that day.

Here in the US, the first thing schools (and offices) teach people when a shooter pops up is to huddle together and hide in a room. Honestly, I don't think that's such a good idea. So you have a bunch of people grouped together, too scared to do anything, and all they have between them and the shooter is a door. The door can easily be opened by the shooter just by shooting the doorknob. What then? I think this is why a lot of people die during mass shooting events. Everyone's taught to just hide and cower in fear. Nobody wants to face the fact that this is a mass shooting event, lots of people are definitely gonna die. So why just hide and wait for your turn to get shot and not fight back? If you're gonna die, might as well die fighting for your life and other people, especially if the shooter already barged into your room. There will be casualties, but I think it would be way less if people ganged up on a shooter, especially when he's reloading his weapon or unaware.

Definitely easier said that done, but that's why there needs to be training, both mental and physical, to deal with mass shooters. We can't just tell people "Ok when a shooter shows up, rush him and beat the shit out of him or kill him!" and expect them to do so. They need to overcome fear. They need to overcome their hesitation to dish out violence on another human being. They need to accept that they might die that day. They can choose though. Die while hiding or die while fighting. If you just hide, your hiding place better be a top secret location that even the police won't find, otherwise, you're just delaying your death by a few seconds or minutes because the shooter won't be stopped by simple doors. If you fight with the help of other people, you might actually prevent the deaths of many people.

Anyway, dealing with mass shooters is really something that "experts" need to look into more. They're so common now! It's already part of our "normal" life or culture and I think it's time people accepted that reality and we prepare for the eventual asshole shooter.

[–]GreedeaterPizza Time 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

The scariest part of all of that mate - at least to me as an Aussie - is that kids in schools have to have those drills in the first place... That shit would be nerve wracking!

[–]Oneda 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, it's terrible!

I grew up back in the 80s and 90s and we never had those kinds of drills. I don't even remember fire drills (or maybe my school was just being cheap lol!).

I miss the days when kids would have problems, they'd fight it out in the yard, bare knuckled. Whether you're a bully or a good kid, you either managed to talk things out or you managed to assert yourself on the bullies to make them stop picking on you. Nowadays, if somebody has a problem, they can just grab a gun and start shooting innocent people at school or in public.

I think part of the reason for this is how people are being taught to just not fight back when being bullied. I keep hearing stories nowadays where if a bullied kid fights back, he gets the same punishment as the bully. I think that's so unfair and it teaches people that fighting back is just as bad as being a bully. It's so frustrating. You suddenly end up thinking that there's no justice in this world, so you get deeper into a very dark place in your mind until you get pushed into the idea that "If I can't be happy, if I can't fight back, if only certain people can be normal and happy, then I'll just go ahead and kill random people!" Definitely a messed up way of thinking if the person is sane, definitely extreme if they had mental issues right at the very beginning.

I really believe that it's important to allow people to defend themselves and fight back against bullies. The more you try to turn them into cowering sheep, the more the natural human instinct to fight back becomes violent. Those who can't control the rage within them will have great potential to become mass killers. We don't want a society of victims who either end up dead or becoming criminals themselves, we need to bring back a society that can defend itself without fear of being treated the same way as the bully or the criminal.

[–]Troy[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Bullying is a significantly smaller problem in today's age. When my dad grew up in the 60s-70s he told me about these insane bullying stories that were really common that you just don't really see anymore. There might be one or a few kids that everyone kind of shits on behind their back, and there's social media, but that's the main issue.