ShootingLiveleak.com - Two armed security guards in car killed for their firearms - Soweto, South Africa

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[–]Oneda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Criminals also don't care about the law and that's why they're called criminals. Murder is illegal, yet that never stopped millions of criminals from committing this crime.

[–]backfromthedead 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Then why does gun control work every where else?? It works in Canada, the UK, Australia. I mean I get it it feels powerful to repeat the stuff your dad hears on Fox News but is just flat out wrong.

[–]oozinator1[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have to either 1) have very tight firearms legislation AND a very small pool of pro-gun people to begin with OR 2) be an island.

The reason behind No. 1 is that going from already strict gun laws to stricter gun laws goes over better than going from no gun laws to stricter gun laws because legal precedence of the government making such restrictions on firearms is already established so debates over whether the government has the right to enact such legislation are closed, and those that do complain can essentially be ignored as their small numbers have little political influence.

The reason behind No. 2 is that if you lack No. 1, you can still argue a feasible scheme to prevent the trafficking of banned firearms into the country. Islands have an easier time controlling routes of entry, so it's much harder to get guns into an island than to get guns over a land border.

Canada is an example of No. 1. UK and Australia are examples of No. 2.

With respect to a total firearms ban, it would be nigh impossible in the US since it has a huge, politically active pro-gun movement already and it is not an island. If for whatever reason, firearms were banned in the US, criminals would still hypothetically be able to obtain them by black market connections.

Also, the fact that there is a constitutional amendment that can be interpreted as guaranteeing the right to bear firearms and at least one major political party that is strongly pro-gun does not make it easier for gun control efforts to pass.

TL;DR There would be too much political and cultural opposition to pass very strict gun control laws in the US, and if they somehow did pass, it'd be hypothetically harder to enforce than in other countries due to geography.

[–]Hoppipolla 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

USA doesn't really have a gun problem, it has a crime problem. They have more criminals than other western countries, and the criminals are more violent. They have also made it really hard for poor people to provide for themselves, which only creates more crime. And if you happen to need medical help, you better come up with a lot of money in a short amount of time or you're fucked.

It's a fucked up country on many levels. If you're poor, struggle with mental or physical health, tough shit, go live on the streets with the other half a million people they don't give a shit about. And then they're shocked when people turn to crime.